Is Hamiltonian Mechanics Essential for Studying Quantum Mechanics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the necessity of understanding Hamiltonian and Lagrangian mechanics for studying quantum mechanics (QM). Participants explore whether a background in classical mechanics is essential for a thorough comprehension of QM, particularly in relation to the Schrödinger equation.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, an EE student, questions the necessity of Hamiltonian mechanics for studying QM and expresses frustration with the complexity of transitioning between different textbooks.
  • Another participant recommends the book "Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems" by Marion and Thornton, highlighting its introduction to the calculus of variations as beneficial for understanding Hamiltonian mechanics.
  • A different participant agrees with the recommendation of Marion and Thornton, noting the clarity of the derivation of Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics, and suggests that a solid background in classical mechanics enhances understanding of QM.
  • Another suggestion is made for "Variational Principles in Dynamics and Quantum Theory" by Yourgrau and Mandelstam, which is noted for its historical approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the necessity of Hamiltonian mechanics for QM. While some suggest that a background in classical mechanics is beneficial, there is no consensus on whether it is essential.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the requirement of knowledge in variational calculus for understanding certain texts, which may limit accessibility for those unfamiliar with the topic.

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hello all,

i'm an EE student,and I've recently started studying quantum mechanics.
most textbooks start with Schrödinger's equation directly but a few others (like say Liboff) start with the concept of hamiltonian from hamiltonian mechanics.
is a knowledge of the same i.e hamiltonian/lagrangian mechanics essential for a thorough study of QM?
if yes, could someone suggest a good, easy-to-understand text for the former?
i tried referring a few books but they require knowledge of variational calculus.
(i kinda feel the whole process frustrating, spending so much time on this chain of one book to other, ending up doing very little useful work)

thanks.
 
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a lot of people knock the newest edition of Marion, but i like its intro to calculus of variations. The book is Classical Dynamics of particles and systems by Marion, Thornton. Its chapter 6, 7, 8 that you're interested in. I also like Arya's book on classical mechanics. I am sure everybody is going to suggest Landau.
 
ytoruno said:
a lot of people knock the newest edition of Marion, but i like its intro to calculus of variations. The book is Classical Dynamics of particles and systems by Marion, Thornton. Its chapter 6, 7, 8 that you're interested in. I also like Arya's book on classical mechanics. I am sure everybody is going to suggest Landau.

Actually I agree with you on Marion & Thornton. In particular, the derivation of Lagrangian and Hamiltonian is nice. I think Goldstein is often written with great clarity. To answer the other question, I do think having a solid background in CM will give you a better understanding of QM.
 
Variational Principles in Dynamics and Quantum Theory
by Yourgrau and Mandelstam might be interesting. The approach is more historical.
 

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