Is Human Design Truly Intelligent?

[selfAdjoint]

I am suggesting that the instant you observe a critter organizing things beyond what has been observed by pure mechanics alone, that critter has exhibited intelligence. So rather than your statement "Intelligence is capable of progressive organization" I might say, "intelligence IS progressive organization."

Ant hills? Bee hives?

 

[Les Sleeth]

Ant hills? Bee hives?

Yes. Can you find a flaw in my reasoning?Edit:

I wouldn't claim that an individual ant or bee is necessarily intelligent (or not). I would say that it does behave intelligently. What the source of their collective intelligence might be is open to question. What we see is organizing behavior that once was progressive (in order to have achieve what an ant colony or bees achieve), but now seems to work on instinct. A competent computer program can be seen as having been organized by human consciousness, but then when it works it does so unconsciously even though it behaves intelligently while operating.

 

[selfAdjoint]

Yes. Can you find a flaw in my reasoning?


Edit:

I wouldn't claim that an individual ant or bee is necessarily intelligent (or not). I would say that it does behave[i/] intelligently. What the source of their collective intelligence might be is open to question. What we see is organizing behavior that once was progressive (in order to have achieve what an ant colony or bees achieve), but now seems to work on instinct. A competent computer program can be seen as having been organized by human consciousness, but then when it works it does so unconsciously even though it behaves intelligently while operating.

Umm, the computer (program) example is like Paley's watch example: complexity implies prior design. But evolution trumps Paley, and I think genetic programming trumps your example. I don't think the fact that the basic idea for GP was human, as all programming ideas are at present, is significant (rather it's contingent; many thinkers believe computers writing their own software is a near future probability). Likewise ant and bee evolution can account for the design aspect of their behavior.

 

[Rasine]

are we inteligently designed accoriding to what's specs?

if you mean perficty, we are not, as was pointed out. But what if our imperfection serves a purpose. what if we were ment to have the stress of an imperfict body. the mind is thus sent to cope with ever failing eyes, or other grief.

 

[Les Sleeth]

Umm, the computer (program) example is like Paley's watch example: complexity implies prior design. But evolution trumps Paley, and I think genetic programming trumps your example.

You lost me big time. How does evolution trump my computer question? What you can prove of evolution theory is common descent, and minor adjustments to species from enviromental changes (sometimes leading to speciation). Fine. We can get bigger bird beaks, we can get more camouflaged moths, we can get more sexy feathers. This level of adaptation, however, is light years behind the adaptive mechanism(s) that might create a kidney. Keep in mind, my one and only objection is that we don't have enough evidence to conclude that any observed natural adaptive mechanisms can create organs/organisms.

I don't think the fact that the basic idea for GP was human, as all programming ideas are at present, is significant (rather it's contingent; many thinkers believe computers writing their own software is a near future probability). Likewise ant and bee evolution can account for the design aspect of their behavior.

I don't see it. Please explain how what is PROVEN about evolution accounts for bee-havior . You can't stick THEORETICAL models in there and claim it's accounted for.

 

[enlil]

intelegence

It is scientifily proved that lower organisms do have some amount of intelegence, but they just don't have some kongenetive structures and abilities that we do.
Even if you teach an animal to speek some words, it will never be able to make a sentence on its own.
Creativity is mostly what they lack in.
P.S. Please, don't mind my spelling mistakes, English is my second language.