Is it equally as hard to get into a National Lab as it is in Academia?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the comparative difficulty of obtaining positions in National Labs versus Academia, exploring the employment landscape, hiring practices, and personal experiences related to job searches in these fields.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Academia positions are scarce, questioning if the same applies to National Labs.
  • Others argue that National Labs compete for the same applicant pool as universities but offer advantages such as better research time, infrastructure, and salaries.
  • A participant notes that National Labs have recently benefited from stimulus funding, which has allowed them to hire more people, raising questions about future hiring once that funding ends.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the difficulty of becoming a researcher at a National Lab compared to becoming a tenured professor, questioning if it requires extreme determination and sacrifices.
  • Another participant shares a personal perspective, indicating a desire to balance a career in physics with family life, while noting the lack of information on National Lab positions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express mixed views on the relative difficulty of obtaining positions in National Labs versus Academia, with no clear consensus on whether one is definitively easier or harder than the other.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors influencing employment opportunities, including funding sources, hiring practices, and personal priorities, but do not resolve the implications of these factors.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals considering careers in physics, particularly those weighing options between Academia and National Labs, as well as those interested in employment trends in STEM fields.

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The theme seems to be that Academia positions are far and few between, so it that the same for National Labs too? Thanks.
 
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Yes and no. National labs are competing for the same pool of applicants as universities, and there are certain advantages - more research time, usually better infrastructure, and often somewhat better salaries, if only by 12/11ths.

On the other hand, National Labs are big, and as such have advantages - they can usually hire when the person they want is available rather than waiting for a line position in the right subfield, and they can afford to take on more specialized people than a university can.
 
The national labs have had a good bit of stimulus dollars the last few years which they have used to hire people. It will be interesting to see what happens when those dollars run out.

I would say it is a bit easier to find employment at national labs. From the people I've talked to they are always looking for talented people.
 
This is something I've been wondering a lot about myself. Becoming a tenured professor is usually considered a long and extremely difficult path. But is becoming a researcher at a National Lab comparably hard? Is it something that should only be sought after by the extremely determined who are willing to sacrifice a lot?

I personally am simply hoping to make a living doing physics. I just don't want to have to sacrifice too much of my family life to do so, which is why I'm mostly considering industry and national labs. Unfortunately, it seems to be difficult to find much information on positions in national labs.
 

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