Is it just translational motion or also rotational?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of motion, specifically whether certain movements are purely translational or involve rotational components. The original poster questions the classification of motion while walking up a gently rising hill and seeks clarification on the relationship between curved paths and rotational motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the distinction between translational and rotational motion, considering examples such as walking up a hill and the movement of body parts. Questions arise about whether any curvature in motion implies rotation and the implications of different modes of movement, like using tank treads.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations of motion being examined. Some participants suggest that while walking, there may be both translational and rotational elements, while others question the nature of these components. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of inquiry are being pursued.

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Participants mention the complexity of body movements and the potential for rotational motion even in seemingly simple actions. There is also a consideration of factors such as friction and the implications of different physical setups on the nature of motion.

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In translational motion all parts of rigid body move with same speed and in same direction!I have a bit of problem between figuring out if particular motion is just translational or also rotational.

If person slowly walks on top of gently rising hill, is his motion also at least partially rotational? If yes, why so? If not, why not ?

Is any motion the path of which is (even if just a little bit) curved also rotational, or just rotational ?

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If you graph the instantaneous motion of each body part as a function of time while climbing the hill, there will be a mix of translational and rotational motion. The net by the time you get to the top of the hill will almost 100% translational, and the net average of all the rotational motion will be very close to zero. Now if we had tank treads instead of legs to generate our motion, then there would be a net rotational motion in climbing the hill, right?
 
Why will it also be rotational?
 
Look at how the legs move for each step. Thigh bone rotates up, shin bone rotates forward, thigh bone rotates down, etc.

Doh! I just thought of a rotational component that will not average to zero for the person walking up the hill (or swimming or sitting still driving...). Can you think of what it is?
 
berkeman said:
Look at how the legs move for each step. Thigh bone rotates up, shin bone rotates forward, thigh bone rotates down, etc.

Doh! I just thought of a rotational component that will not average to zero for the person walking up the hill (or swimming or sitting still driving...). Can you think of what it is?

I'd say peni* or boobs if there is no bra and they big enough to jiggle?o:)
 
LOL. Nope, those body parts don't rotate in a net way. Hint -- what I'm thinking of is rotating in your body even if you are sitting still.
 
I have no idea,but I thought of something:

I thought if there was a curve,no matter how small ( I don't mean small in a sense that you can step over it ) there is some rotation going on or perhaps even just rotation without translational movement? If there would be no friction and you'd be dragging up the hill(with small curve) a small box,would then perhaps movement be just rotational or... ?

in any case,thanx for helping
 
boris16 said:
I have no idea
I was thinking of blood circulation. Blood doesn't exactly circulate "around" the volume of the body, because arteries and veins are largely intertwined. But there are a few places where the separation is enough to give a net angular momentum to the blood flow in the body. And that angular momentum increases when you walk uphill...moreso for some than others! :smile:
 

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