Is it OK to fly if rail is too expensive?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dilemma of whether to fly or take the train for travel from London to Madrid, particularly in the context of cost, environmental concerns, and personal commitments to avoiding air travel. Participants explore the implications of travel choices, including financial constraints and climate change considerations.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a strong preference against flying due to personal commitments and the high cost of rail travel, suggesting they may refuse to attend the conference if flying is the only option.
  • Another participant argues in favor of flying, highlighting the lower cost and reduced travel time compared to rail.
  • Concerns are raised about hidden fees associated with air travel, such as luggage charges and in-flight meal costs, which may not be immediately apparent in ticket prices.
  • Some participants share frustrations about the airline industry, citing issues like delays and high costs for food and beverages at airports.
  • Environmental considerations are discussed, with one participant mentioning conflicting studies on the emissions of aviation versus rail travel, and expressing a belief that ordinary trains are cleaner than planes.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that trains are always the more environmentally friendly option, suggesting that comparisons depend on specific circumstances, such as the type of train and its occupancy.
  • There is mention of the impact of nuclear power on the environmental footprint of trains in France, suggesting that this could alter the comparison with air travel.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether flying or taking the train is the better option. There are competing views regarding the environmental impact of both modes of transport and the financial implications of travel choices.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the environmental impact of different transport methods, the reliability of studies cited, and the specific conditions under which travel costs are evaluated. The debate remains unresolved regarding the overall sustainability of flying versus rail travel.

  • #61
"Have you evidence that this is the case? This is v.relavent to OP. Bear in mind I was referring to short haul."

Is anyone reading my posts? There is a basica calculation with neu's numbers and the number of flights from Friends of the Earth. If you cannot accept these numbers then you are being truly ignorant to the facts. Before 'Global Warming' even existed (before the media and government got on it), hardly anyone cared about emissions and CO2, but now everyone has jumped on the band wagon. The media has hyped up global warming to the extreme and the government only care because they can tax it. Full stop.

There was a report on tv last night that the Earth is going to eventually collide with mars. Should we be panicking, trying to prevent the unpreventable? This is certainly a much greater risk with regards to life and a mass extinction than a slight raise in temperature is.

Why does nobody accept any evidence except that which supports their argument?

Either base your judgement on facts, yes FACTS. Or make it on a personal basis and don't bother asking for others to approve of it because the fact is, your judgement is based on your own personal feelings. I have seen no evidence so far to suggest flying is worse than a train.
 
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jarednjames said:
Is anyone reading my posts?

Definitely, and I am really glad you shared the link to http://www.friendsofscience.org/" . Before, all I had were a few scattered, poorly articulated critiques of the 'climate change ' literature, but this website has put in the hard work that it takes to substantiate and extend all of the criticisms on the basis of peer-reviewed literature.

I do however, think that this thread is near the end of its on-topic life since the OP resolved their problem, and that unless anyone else asks me for further clarification I for one will probably let this thread sink away. On the otherhand, I look forward to someone else starting a new thread to argue about the role of carbon in climate change (I can't start it because most threads that I start are DOA).
 
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ExactlySolved said:
Definitely, and I am really glad you shared the link to http://www.friendsofscience.org/" . Before, all I had were a few scattered, poorly articulated critiques of the 'climate change ' literature, but this website has put in the hard work that it takes to substantiate and extend all of the criticisms on the basis of peer-reviewed literature.

I do however, think that this thread is near the end of its on-topic life since the OP resolved their problem, and that unless anyone else asks me for further clarification I for one will probably let this thread sink away. On the otherhand, I look forward to someone else starting a new thread to argue about the role of carbon in climate change (I can't start it because most threads that I start are DOA).

Well, says it all doesn't it, I ask if anyone's reading my posts, one person responds with definitely and thanks me for a link I didn't even post!
What is the ******* point.

ExactlySolved, I would love to discuss carbon in climate change in a thread, however given this result I feel any input from myself based on hard numbers and facts would be pointless. People just don't want to know the truth if it disagree with their point of view. Selective reading I suppose.
 
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