Is it possible for a pion to decay into a proton and a photon?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of the reaction where a positively charged pion and a neutron decay into a proton and a photon. Participants explore the theoretical implications, conservation laws, and challenges in visualizing the process through Feynman diagrams.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of the reaction, considering conservation laws such as lepton and baryon numbers, and angular momentum.
  • Another participant suggests attaching gluons to quark lines and having a quark radiate a photon as a potential approach to visualize the reaction.
  • A later reply discusses the idea of using a W boson to interact with a down quark to produce an up quark, raising questions about the viability of this method.
  • One participant notes that hadrons are bound states with complex internal structures, suggesting that a lattice QCD perspective might simplify the analysis.
  • Another participant points out that the proposed reaction resembles pion photo-production in reverse, indicating that there may be existing literature on related processes.
  • One participant expresses satisfaction with their approach of turning a down quark and anti-down quark into a gluon, which then interacts with another quark to produce a photon, likening it to Compton scattering.
  • Concerns are raised about the mass-shell condition and helicity issues associated with the proposed diagrams, suggesting that these factors may complicate the reaction's feasibility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the viability of the proposed reaction and the methods for representing it in Feynman diagrams. There is no consensus on the feasibility of the decay process or the best approach to model it.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of hadronic interactions and the limitations of their proposed diagrams, including unresolved issues related to mass-shell conditions and helicity problems.

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Hey guys,
I was wondering if this reactions is possible:

[tex]\pi^{+} + n \rightarrow p + \gamma[/tex]

(Assuming there is enough energy in the initial state to make the reaction go)

If not, what law is violated?

Lepton and baryon numbers are ok... also angular momentum, so I guess it's possible, but still... I can't figure out how to draw the feynman diagram, since there is a total of 5 quarks in the initial state ([tex]u,\bar{d}... d,d,u[/tex]) and there is just 3 in the final state (u,u,d and gamma).

At first, I was thinking in merging d and [tex]\bar{d}[/tex] into a photon , but just 1 photon would violate the momentum conservation law...

Any ideas?

Thanks
 
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Kenai said:
I can't figure out how to draw the feynman diagram

I would attach gluon(s) to the quark lines, and have a quark radiate a photon.
 


daschaich said:
I would attach gluon(s) to the quark lines, and have a quark radiate a photon.

Ok, a gluon can be attached into [tex]d, \bar{d}[/tex]

But then I would have an excited system with:

[tex]d \bar{d} \rightarrow \it{g}[/tex]

Which is the problem, since I would already have the [tex]u u d[/tex] configuration necessary for the proton in the final state, and the gamma can come from radiation from a quark as you said.

I'm using now the W boson to interact with one of the down quarks producing an up quark, I guest that would be possible. What do you guys think?

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All of your hadrons are bound states, and have tons of glue floating around inside them. I'm coming from a lattice QCD perspective, where we don't even bother drawing the gluons; we just use "quark-line diagrams" (and compute the path integral nonperturbatively...).

At any rate, two quick comments:

1) Your diagram basically has pi^+ converting into a W^+. This is going to be way off mass-shell, and also introduces two weak vertexes. I suspect it is negligible.

2) Isn't this process just pion photo-production "in reverse"? There should be lots of relevant literature about gamma-p interactions. They may invoke some "hadronization" for the pion and nucleon final states, in lieu of dealing with the glue.
 


daschaich said:
1) Your diagram basically has pi^+ converting into a W^+. This is going to be way off mass-shell, and also introduces two weak vertexes. I suspect it is negligible.

I would guess that the helicity problem with that is worse than the mass shell suppression.
 

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