Is it possible to prove the existence of God?

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The discussion revolves around the philosophical question of whether it is possible to prove the existence of God, with various definitions and attributes of God being debated. Participants explore concepts such as omniscience, omnipotence, and the implications of these attributes on the nature of God. The conversation includes both logical arguments and thought experiments related to the existence and nature of a creator being.

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  • Philosophical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that defining God as omniscient leads to logical inconsistencies, suggesting that this definition may not be universally accepted.
  • Others propose thought experiments, such as the concept of a "meta-god" that creates a being with limited knowledge, questioning the implications of such a scenario on the nature of God.
  • There are claims that proving the existence of God is futile due to the complexities and paradoxes involved in defining God.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of definitions in discussions about God, arguing that without a clear definition, meaningful dialogue is challenging.
  • Others challenge the notion that human logic can adequately define or box in the concept of God, suggesting that this does not negate the possibility of God's existence.
  • There are humorous and abstract definitions of God presented, such as comparing God to a physical object, which some participants find absurd in the context of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of defining God, with some agreeing that definitions are crucial while others argue against the need for strict definitions. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the nature of God and the possibility of proving existence.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on philosophical and logical frameworks, with participants referencing various definitions of God that may not align. There are also references to the potential for misunderstandings based on differing interpretations of terms used in the debate.

  • #61
cronxeh said:
Yea he is sure of himself for a delusional person. I am pretty calm and collected, and my colour and range of vocabulary words that describe my feelings against religion are what I would call the 'depth' certain wussy Atheists lack.

:sigh: OK well then from where I'm standing your worldview reads as subjectively as his. Two sides of the same coin, both equal weight. Except that he's not resorting to insults.
 
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  • #62
cronxeh said:
Yea he is sure of himself for a delusional person. I am pretty calm and collected, and my colour and range of vocabulary words that describe my feelings against religion are what I would call the 'depth' certain wussy Atheists lack.

As an atheist wuss I am hurt by your comment about my lack of the depth which you seem to possess.
 
  • #63
DaveC: good, you finally see my point. Delusions are cured by sine-wave to the temples, not a logical discussion of the pink bunny rabbit not being real.

Jarle: oh YEA?! That retort lacked depth, to be honest
 
  • #64
cronxeh said:
DaveC: good, you finally see my point. Delusions are cured by sine-wave to the temples, not a logical discussion of the pink bunny rabbit not being real.
But you too are under a delusion (your subjective beliefs that you are using to refute PhysLover's subjective beliefs). Should I take your advice and zap your brain?
 
  • #65
DaveC426913 said:
But you too are under a delusion. Should I take your advice and zap your brain?

Only from the relationships I can't seem to shake :biggrin:
 
  • #66
cronxeh said:
Only from the relationships I can't seem to shake :biggrin:
No, you offer your beliefs of the world that you can't logically back up. Exactly what PhysLover did.
 
  • #67
physlover1 said:
you all wrong
god is allah who creat this universe
who creat us
all of you are Physicist
and Physicists are known as intelligent
so let's think about it
who creat you?
who Who raised the sky?
Who gave you the mind and please you than the other creatures?
Of course the answer is allah
Not then understand?
just think about it and don't be crazy
I swear that none of you don't feel comfortable in your religion
try to say it I bear witness that no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God and you will see what will happen?
-------------
i hope that no one get angry with me
I speak quietly and i just wish to all of you goodness

I'm convinced.
 
  • #68
I've browsed a bit through this interesting discussion. I particularly liked the sentence of Jarle
The common notion of God is a transcendent entity. God is in some way outside the material world, not affected by the material causality.
. This would imply, I believe - and you can show me wrong of course - that nobody can observe directly God. In other words, nobody can get an evidence of its existence. Not only people, but the universe itself cannot be affected by something outside the material world.
Thus God cannot interact with our universe (which is, by some definitions I believe, is defined as "all that exist" or "all that physically exist") if it exists.
So this sentence implies that believing in God is made by faith and not evidence of its existence.
Now it remains to prove -or show- that God cannot indeed be affected by the material causality (To repeat what Aristotle or another Greek I can't remember the name of at the moment :"then why would we call him God if he isn't omnipotent?"). I don't think we can show it, so believing in this sentence is somehow also faith... But I have this kind of faith since I'm atheist.

Edit: So my mind thinks like that: God isn't included in our universe, cannot interact with it, etc. Since the universe is all that exist, God doesn't exist. Of course this is very simple and obviously erroneous in some part(s) but I have this kind of faith. I'm atheist and this is in what I believe at the moment.
 
  • #69
dave
what is your religion?
 
  • #70
DaveC426913 said:
This is all rhetoric; it is your opinion. It doesn't have a place in an analytical discussion - well, except to benefit your opponent by validating that his personal opinion is all he needs to state as well.


A kid has a hissy fit in your sandbox. Do you have a hissy fit back at him, and does that show him he's wrong? No, you say 'Hey, knock that off. You got a problem, use your words.' You show someone the error of their ways by rising above the issue.

Unless all you want is a tit-for-tat. In which case, more power to ya.

I can't believe I'm actually tutoring you on this...

I already told you, word for word, that you can not use logic/philosophy/reason to argue religion. End of discussion.
 
  • #71
Closed pending cleanup and moderation decision.
 

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