Is it possible to prove the existence of God?

[DaveC426913]

Yea he is sure of himself for a delusional person. I am pretty calm and collected, and my colour and range of vocabulary words that describe my feelings against religion are what I would call the 'depth' certain wussy Atheists lack.

:sigh: OK well then from where I'm standing your worldview reads as subjectively as his. Two sides of the same coin, both equal weight. Except that he's not resorting to insults.

 

[disregardthat]

Yea he is sure of himself for a delusional person. I am pretty calm and collected, and my colour and range of vocabulary words that describe my feelings against religion are what I would call the 'depth' certain wussy Atheists lack.

As an atheist wuss I am hurt by your comment about my lack of the depth which you seem to possess.

 

[cronxeh]

DaveC: good, you finally see my point. Delusions are cured by sine-wave to the temples, not a logical discussion of the pink bunny rabbit not being real.

Jarle: oh YEA?! That retort lacked depth, to be honest

 

[DaveC426913]

DaveC: good, you finally see my point. Delusions are cured by sine-wave to the temples, not a logical discussion of the pink bunny rabbit not being real.

But you too are under a delusion (your subjective beliefs that you are using to refute PhysLover's subjective beliefs). Should I take your advice and zap your brain?

 

[cronxeh]

But you too are under a delusion. Should I take your advice and zap your brain?

Only from the relationships I can't seem to shake

 

[DaveC426913]

Only from the relationships I can't seem to shake

No, you offer your beliefs of the world that you can't logically back up. Exactly what PhysLover did.

 

[leroyjenkens]

you all wrong
god is allah who creat this universe
who creat us
all of you are Physicist
and Physicists are known as intelligent
so let's think about it
who creat you?
who Who raised the sky?
Who gave you the mind and please you than the other creatures?
Of course the answer is allah
Not then understand?
just think about it and don't be crazy
I swear that none of you don't feel comfortable in your religion
try to say it I bear witness that no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God and you will see what will happen?
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i hope that no one get angry with me
I speak quietly and i just wish to all of you goodness

I'm convinced.

 

[fluidistic]

I've browsed a bit through this interesting discussion. I particularly liked the sentence of Jarle

The common notion of God is a transcendent entity. God is in some way outside the material world, not affected by the material causality.

. This would imply, I believe - and you can show me wrong of course - that nobody can observe directly God. In other words, nobody can get an evidence of its existence. Not only people, but the universe itself cannot be affected by something outside the material world.
Thus God cannot interact with our universe (which is, by some definitions I believe, is defined as "all that exist" or "all that physically exist") if it exists.
So this sentence implies that believing in God is made by faith and not evidence of its existence.
Now it remains to prove -or show- that God cannot indeed be affected by the material causality (To repeat what Aristotle or another Greek I can't remember the name of at the moment :"then why would we call him God if he isn't omnipotent?"). I don't think we can show it, so believing in this sentence is somehow also faith... But I have this kind of faith since I'm atheist.

Edit: So my mind thinks like that: God isn't included in our universe, cannot interact with it, etc. Since the universe is all that exist, God doesn't exist. Of course this is very simple and obviously erroneous in some part(s) but I have this kind of faith. I'm atheist and this is in what I believe at the moment.

 

[physlover1]

dave
what is your religion?

 

[cronxeh]

This is all rhetoric; it is your opinion. It doesn't have a place in an analytical discussion - well, except to benefit your opponent by validating that his personal opinion is all he needs to state as well.


A kid has a hissy fit in your sandbox. Do you have a hissy fit back at him, and does that show him he's wrong? No, you say 'Hey, knock that off. You got a problem, use your words.' You show someone the error of their ways by rising above the issue.

Unless all you want is a tit-for-tat. In which case, more power to ya.

I can't believe I'm actually tutoring you on this...

I already told you, word for word, that you can not use logic/philosophy/reason to argue religion. End of discussion.

 

[Evo]

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