Is it Possible to Show a Group is Abelian with Certain Properties?

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that certain groups possess the abelian property based on specific conditions. The first problem involves a group G where the property (ab)i = aibi holds for three consecutive integers i, while the second problem concerns a finite group G with order not divisible by 3, where (ab)3 = a3b3 for all elements a, b in G.

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  • Participants explore various algebraic manipulations and properties of group elements to show that certain expressions lead to the conclusion that the group is abelian. Questions arise regarding specific steps in the reasoning, particularly the validity of certain equalities and the implications of properties like injectivity of mappings.

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I have a couple questions involving showing a group with certain properties is abelian.

1. For the first, I'm supposed to show that if some group G has the property that (ab)i=aibi for some three consecutive integers i and all a,b in G, then G must be abelian. Using (aba-1)i=abia-1=aibia-i, I've been able to show that a2b=ba2 for all a,b in G, but I can't get any farther.

2. The second is similar. Given that a finite group G has order not divisible by 3, and for every a,b in G, (ab)3=a3b3, show G is abelian. By defining an automorphism on G by sending a to a3, I've been able to show every element has a unique cube root. Using this, I've shown a2b=ba2, as above. But now I'm stuck.

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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Problem 1

Your work doesn't look right. How do you get abia-1 = aibia-i?

Let I = {i-2, i-1, i} be a set of three consecutive integers such that for all a, b in G, and all k in I, (ab)k = akbk

Hints:

1. Starting with (ab)i = aibi, deduce that (ba)i-1 = (ab)i-1

2. Deduce, somehow, that (ba)i-2 = (ab)i-2
 
Note, for problem 2, you don't need to show that x |-> x³ is an automorphism. Simply show that it is injective (it doesn't even need to be a homomorphism). Then, since G is finite, you know the map is surjective, and this is all you need to show that each element has a unique cube root.
 
Thanks for the help. (ba)i=b(ab)i-1a. It's so simple, and pops out at you if you write the product out, but I was going a completely different way with the problem and would never have thought of it. Both answers follow easily from it.

And by the way, since conjugation by an element is a homomorphism (in fact, an automorphism), then (aba-1)i=abia-1.
 
My issue wasn't with (aba-1)i = abia-1, it was with abia-1 = aibia-i. However, I now see where you got that:

(aba-1)i = aibia-i by the special property given to us
(aba-1)i = abia-1 because it's an easy fact for any group

Using a similar idea for problem 2, you get:

a³b³a-³ = ab³a-1
a²b³ = b³a²

so every square commutes with every cube. But since you can prove that every element is a cube (i.e. it has a cube root), you can say that every square commutes with every element. Not sure where to go from here.
 
Well, using a similar idea as the one you suggested for the first problem, you can show (ab)2=b2a2. Then you can pull a factor of b on the right side to the other side of a2, and its easy from there.
 
When I first looked at the problem, I did get that (ab)² = b²a². However, I don't see where to go from there. In fact, what do you even mean by:

Then you can pull a factor of b on the right side to the other side of a2, and its easy from there.
 
Oh wait.

(ab)³ = a³b³
ababab = aaabbb
baba = aabb
(ba)² = a²b²

Now this, in conjunction with the fact that the squares commute with everything, gives

(ba)² = b²a²
baba = bbaa
ab = ba []

Is that what you had in mind?
 
More or less. I actually specifically meant:

(ab)2=b2a2
abab=b(ba2)=b(a2b)=baab
ab=ba
 

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