Is it possible to solve for kinetic friction without given theta?

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The problem involves a block on a ramp connected to another block via a pulley, with the goal of determining the coefficient of kinetic friction while the block moves at a constant velocity. The challenge arises from the lack of a given angle, which complicates the equations of motion.

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  • Participants discuss the equations of motion for both blocks and express confusion over the number of unknowns versus the equations available. There is a focus on the role of the angle and its implications for solving the problem.

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Some participants are exploring whether the angle can be considered a given value, while others are questioning the clarity of the problem statement. There is an ongoing examination of the forces acting on the blocks and their relationships, particularly in light of the constant velocity condition.

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Participants note that the problem lacks explicit information about the angle, leading to uncertainty in the setup. The assignment specifies that the block moves with constant velocity, which implies a net force of zero, but the implications of this for the unknowns are being debated.

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Homework Statement


A block of mass " lying on a ramp tilted at an
angle  with the horizontal is connected to
another block of mass # by a light string passing
over a frictionless pulley as shown. If the block
slides up the ramp with a constant velocity ),
what is the coefficient of kinetic friction $%?


Homework Equations


f=ma


The Attempt at a Solution


ƩF1xx = m1a
Ft - μkFn = m1a

ƩF1y = m1a1y
Fn - mgcosθ = m1a1y


I can figure out the Ft from the other mass. But where I am stuck is I have 3 unknowns and 2 equations. I can't find a way to solve for μk when I don't have θ.

Thanks for the help
 
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I cannot see the second mass in the equations.
 
I cannot see the second mass in the equations.
 
ƩF2y = m2a
FT - m2g = m2a

I solve this for Ft and plug that into the tension force on mass1
 
So what are the three unknowns you have?
 
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So what are the three unknowns you have?

μk,Fn, and θ
 
It is not clear from the initial statement of the problem what is given and what is not. The initial statement sounds to me as if the angle were on an equal footing with masses which I assume you consider given. Could you copy the problem exactly?
 
What I have in the original post is the whole question but I have attached a picture of the problem for clarity.
 

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I think you can consider the angle as a given.
 
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The assignment says that the block moves with a constant velocity - Newton's 1st law says that the end result Force affecting the mass is 0 if the body is still or is moving with a constant velocity and without changing direction - acceleration is 0.

This is the part that I am doubting at the moment -is it correct to assume the mass m2 is pulling the mass m1 by its weight? If so, the weight is m2g - and as the block on the ramp isn t accelerating, the mass on the other side also isn't accelerating.

So the resulting force to the block on the ramp is m2g.
The frictional force or force of friction or ..:/ is Fh = μm1gcosθ

The ramp directed gravitational pull is F = m1g sinθ

The resulting force is m2g + (-m1g sinθ - μm1gcosθ) <- these are vectors - i don't know how to denote vectors :(
the weight of m2 has to come level with both the friction and the gravitational pull.
So after a bit of simplification:
(m2g)² + (-m1g(sinθ + μcosθ))² = 0

E: I meant you must know the value of all 3 variables - even the assignment given agrees with me.
 
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