Is it Valid to Use Congruences to Show No Solution for Fermat's Last Theorem?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of using congruences to demonstrate the absence of solutions for Fermat's Last Theorem. Participants explore the implications of congruences in the context of the theorem, particularly focusing on the relationship between equality and modular arithmetic.

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  • One participant questions whether if \( a + b = c \), it follows that \( a + b = c \mod n \) for all \( n \), referencing a text on Fermat's Last Theorem.
  • Another participant clarifies the definition of equality in modular arithmetic and discusses the implications of assuming \( c^n = a^n + b^n \) leads to \( c^n = a^n + b^n \mod n \) for any \( n \).
  • A further response suggests that if the implication is meant for any \( n \), it is valid under certain conditions, but challenges the formulation if \( n \) is treated as a variable already representing the exponent.
  • Another participant asserts that the modular equivalence is trivial, explaining that if \( c^n = a^n + b^n \), then \( c^n - (a^n + b^n) = 0 \) is divisible by any \( k \) (except 0).
  • A later reply expresses a need for reassurance regarding the understanding of divisibility by zero in modular arithmetic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the triviality of the modular equivalence but express differing views on the initial formulation and implications of using \( n \) in the context of the theorem.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity in the use of the variable \( n \) as both an exponent and a modulus, which some participants point out as a potential source of confusion. The discussion does not resolve these ambiguities fully.

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If a + b = c, then is a + b = c (mod n) for all n?

For example while reading LeVeque's Topics in Number Theory I came across a section on Fermat's Last Theorem in which he says: a way to show c^n = a^n + b^n has no solution is to assume the infinite amount of congruences c^n = a^n + b^n (mod p) for p = 2, 3, 5, 7, ... and then derive a contradiction.

I assume what he means is: if c^n = a^n + b^n, then c^n = a^n + b^n (mod n) for any n that we choose.

Is this valid?
 
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If a + b = c, then is a + b = c (mod n) for all n?
What's the definition of equality, mod n?


I assume what he means is: if c^n = a^n + b^n, then c^n = a^n + b^n (mod n) for any n that we choose.

Is this valid?
It's ambiguous.

If you meant:

For any n: [ if c^n = a^n + b^n, then c^n = a^n + b^n (mod n) ]

That's fine. (Assuming you prove the theorem you originally asked)

If you meant

If c^n = a^n + b^n, then for any n: c^n = a^n + b^n (mod n)

the no, that's invalid. n already has a meaning, so you cannot introduce n as a dummy variable! You'd have to use a new letter, like p.
 
Sorry that was clumsy of me, I didn't realize that I was using n as the variable for the exponent already. What I mean to say is:
If c^n = a^n + b^n, then under the mod equivalence c^n = a^n + b^n (mod k), where we can choose k at our leisure.

It might be trivial but it seems to me that something is missing between these two steps.
 
Yes, that's trivial. The definition of the mod k equivalence class is x = y (mod k) iff k|x-y. Thus c^n = a^n + b^n implies c^n-(a^n + b^n) = 0, which is divisible by k for any k (except 0).
 
Ahh... of course that makes sense. I guess I just needed some reassurance to see it.

So then by convention zero is divisible by any n > 0, that's very interesting!

Thanks for the help.
 

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