Is Jupiter's Great Red Spot a gas giant phenomenon or a solid core mystery?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of Jupiter's Great Red Spot and the composition of the planet itself, specifically whether it is a gas giant phenomenon or if there is a solid core involved. Participants explore various aspects of Jupiter's atmospheric and internal structure, including the implications of its gaseous nature and the characteristics of its core.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether flying through Jupiter would lead to passing through its gaseous layers and wonders about the density of the gas at the center.
  • Another participant suggests that the center of Jupiter is likely composed of metallic hydrogen, referencing it as a form of degenerate matter.
  • Some participants propose that there may be a small rocky core beneath the metallic hydrogen.
  • There is a discussion about the combustion of hydrogen on Jupiter, with participants noting the lack of oxygen necessary for burning.
  • One participant emphasizes that matter cannot simply disappear and discusses the conditions required for burning hydrogen.
  • Another participant mentions that entering Jupiter would expose a spacecraft to extreme pressures long before reaching the core, suggesting a gradient from gas to liquid to solid.
  • Some participants assert the existence of a solid metallic core based on Jupiter's strong magnetic field and radiation belts.
  • References to profiles of Jupiter's atmosphere based on past missions are shared, indicating ongoing interest in the planet's atmospheric composition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the composition of Jupiter, particularly concerning the nature of its core and the behavior of gases within its atmosphere. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on several points raised.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on assumptions about the state of matter within Jupiter and the unresolved nature of the exact composition and structure of its core and atmosphere.

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Ive been wondering about this for a while. i read in the newspaper about jupiters new red spot, but anyways they mentioned that it was a gas planet. does this mean that if you were to fly to Jupiter and keep going, eventually you'd go right through it and out the other side? or is it so dense that the gas turns into a solid at the center?
 
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Well if you go at the right angle you might.But yes it is expected to be a mettallic hydrogen and there might be a small rocky core.
 
so, if you lit a match on a planet that was made out of flammable gas, it would just disappear? wow that sucks
 
Hydrogen requires oxygen to burn and there is very little of that on Jupiter.

Remember, Jupiter was hit by a comet (broken into many fragments) that exploded with an energy greater than all the nuclear weapons on Earth combined, and it is still there.
 
Quadruple Bypass said:
so, if you lit a match on a planet that was made out of flammable gas, it would just disappear? wow that sucks


Stop and think about what you just said.

First consider what 'burning' actually means(A chemical reaction between an oxidizer, of which there would be very little on jupiter, and a reactant, of which there is plenty in the form of hydrogen). Next consider that matter has to be conserved(so it doesn't make sense to talk about anything just 'disappearing').

As russ said:

Hydrogen requires oxygen to burn and there is very little of that on Jupiter.

Remember, Jupiter was hit by a comet (broken into many fragments) that exploded with an energy greater than all the nuclear weapons on Earth combined, and it is still there.
 
ah yes...i didnt know what actual gasses were on jupiter
 
BTW, if you DID fly your spaceship into Jupiter, you would never get anywhere near the metallic core. Pressures climb into the hundreds or even thousands of atmospheres long before that. There is speculation that it is one continuous gradient from gas to liquid to solid.
 
We know there is a solid metalic core because it has a strong,- very very, very strong magnetic field which makes big radiation belts around it.
And you could even get past a few of Jupiter's moons without this radiation zapping you to bits.
 
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Somewhere I remember seeing a profile of Jupiter's atmosphere, but I can't find the reference. It was based on Galileo descent into Jupiter at the end of the mission.

Meanwhile, here is some information on Jupiter:

Jupiter information
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/ph121/l15.html
http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast121/lectures/lec19.html

Jupiter atmosphere profile - based on Galileo measurements
http://wwwa.britannica.com/eb/article-54259

I think there is a better, more official atmosphere profile available from JPL.
 
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