Is light a photon or a wave? (concrete question)

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The discussion centers around the nature of light, specifically whether it should be understood as a wave or a photon. Participants explore the implications of Maxwell's equations and quantum mechanics, examining how these frameworks describe light and the conditions under which one interpretation may be favored over the other.

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  • One participant notes that Maxwell's equations describe light as waves, while quantum mechanics introduces the concept of photons, leading to a dual interpretation of light's nature.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the definitions of "light" are crucial and that classical electrodynamics views light as waves, whereas quantum electrodynamics defines it in terms of photons, with the latter being more predictive in experiments.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that while light propagates as an electromagnetic wave, its energy is quantized, aligning with the behavior of photons, thus linking the wave and particle descriptions.
  • One participant questions the meaning of calling light a wave, arguing that the characteristics of waves, such as superposition and interference, are also present in quantum mechanics, suggesting that wave and particle descriptions are not mutually exclusive.

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Participants express differing views on whether one interpretation of light is preferred over the other, with no consensus reached on the superiority of the wave or photon perspective.

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Participants highlight the importance of definitions and the context in which light is discussed, indicating that the interpretations may depend on specific experimental conditions or theoretical frameworks.

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Don't worry, my question is not as vague or typical as the title might suggest:

We know Mawell's equations describe light as waves. Waves can be described as excitations of normal modes (for reasons that are not yet entirely clear to me; references are welcome). This is described by the harmonic oscillator. Actually, this needs to be described by a quantum harmonic oscillator. It turns out, in statistical mechanics, that the statistics predicted by the quantum harmonic oscillator are the same as those predicted by boson statistics as applied to massless particles (under certain conditions). This motivates how the classical idea leads to the idea of photons.

Good. Of course, the above result can be interpreted in two ways: either it's really a wave but the math coincides with that of a particle. Or it is really a photon but the math coincides with that of a wave. Is one view preferred above the other? I predict some will say "but how can we tell the difference if we've just proven that the two ideas are indistinguishable", but then I ask: aren't there certain conditions for the above argument? I expect that some conditions will break the equivalence, in which case we can experimentally prefer one above the other. Has such a thing happened?

EDIT: maybe I can rephrase it succintly: is either the excitation (the wave view) or the photon (the particle view) an approximation for the other?
 
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The only thing that can answer a question about reality is a theory that defines the terms used in the question. In this case, the key term is "light". The only theories that have anything useful to say are classical electrodynamics and quantum electrodynamics. The former says that light consists of waves. The latter says that light consists of photons (and also defines the term "photon"). Quantum electrodynamics is much better at predicting results of experiments.
 
Light propagates as an EM wave, as described by Maxwell.
The amplitude of the wave is quantized, so its energy equals n hbar\omega.
For n=1, it describes the propagation of a photon, in the same way that Schrödinger's equation describes the propagation of an electron.
 
What do we mean when we call light a wave? We mean it's extended in space, it can superimpose with another light wave, giving interference, diffraction pattern etc. But all these features are inherited by quantum mechanical discription, with some additional properties that resemble particles(amplitude got discretized , so concepts of "wave" and "particle" are not mutually exclusive, and the quantum mechanical description is more complete.
 

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