Is Lightning AC or DC?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether lightning can be classified as alternating current (AC) or direct current (DC). Participants explore the nature of lightning, its discharge characteristics, and the properties of the light produced during the event.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that lightning is a pulse discharge, consisting of a range of frequencies, including a DC component.
  • Others argue that the light produced by lightning is plasma rather than current, indicating it cannot be classified strictly as AC or DC.
  • One participant notes that charge movement through the atmosphere creates a plasma channel due to high current density, implying a current is present.
  • There is mention of lightning being a unidirectional flow of current, which some participants interpret as a form of short-term DC.
  • The frequency of visible light emitted during lightning is discussed, with references to its high frequency and the non-linear behavior of ionized air as a conductor.
  • It is noted that lightning produces a broad spectrum of energy, including components in the visible range, due to the dynamics of excited molecules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether lightning should be classified as AC or DC, with multiple competing views presented regarding its characteristics and behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying interpretations of the mechanisms behind lightning discharge, including the role of frequency components and the nature of the plasma produced. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding definitions and classifications of current types.

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Usually all of us observe thundering light at rainy day. A light is produced. Is that a.c or d.c
Thanks
 
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The 'net' discharge is just one way because a positively charged object is discharging to a negatively charged object. but it is in the form of a pulse, which consists of a whole set of frequencies - going up to hundreds of MHz (hence the RF interference)- in addition to the DC bit.
 
otomanb said:
Usually all of us observe thundering light at rainy day. A light is produced. Is that a.c or d.c
Thanks

The "light" produced is plasma, not current. So it is neither AC or DC.
 
My understanding is that charge is moving through the atmosphere, therefore there is a current. It creates a plasma channel out of the air because of the very high current density, and hence a lot of Joule heating of the channel. But really, the mechanism of plasma formation probably needs a bit more explanation than I'm offering.
 
Visible light is about 1015 Hz (about 0.5 micron wavelength).

Bob S
 
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sophiecentaur said:
The 'net' discharge is just one way because a positively charged object is discharging to a negatively charged object. but it is in the form of a pulse, which consists of a whole set of frequencies - going up to hundreds of MHz (hence the RF interference)- in addition to the DC bit.
lightning is just discharge of charges due to electrical breakdown of dielectric material (air) between them. But the flow of current is unidirectional even though it is in the form of a pulse. So it seems for me to say more logical that the lightning discharge is some form of short term directional current (DC).
 
Bob S said:
Visible light is about 1015 Hz (about 0.5 micron wavelength).

Bob S

Yes, that's true. Lightning is a very brief transient signal, so while it has a strong DC component, there is a lot of energy at components with elevated frequency, viewed from a frequency domain point of view. But the reason it glows is the emission of energy at the 10^15 hertz range. This is due to the non-linearity of air as an ionized conductor of electricity. Plasma currents are typically very noisy due to the complex and very energetic dynamics of the excited molecules and their electronic structures. Some of the resonances due to this electronic excitation are in the visible range, and hence are visible.

So while lightning is a current transient that is essentially unipolar, it excites charge carriers with spectral energy with an extremely broad bandwidth. Spectral lines are produced that are within the visible spectrum.
 

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