Is Logarithm Inequality True for 0 < a < b < 1?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of the logarithmic inequality log(a) < log(b) for values of a and b within the range 0 < a < b < 1. Participants explore the implications of the logarithmic function's properties, particularly in relation to its base.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether log(a) < log(b) holds true for all a and b in the specified range.
  • Another participant asserts that the inequality is true for any 0 < a < b, citing the strictly increasing nature of the logarithmic function with a base greater than 1.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the validity of the inequality depends on the base of the logarithm, noting that if the base is between 0 and 1, the logarithmic function is strictly decreasing.
  • Participants discuss the unusual nature of using logarithms with bases in the range (0, 1), with one participant providing an example to illustrate this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which the logarithmic inequality holds, particularly regarding the base of the logarithm. There is no consensus on the general applicability of the inequality across all bases.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of specifying the base of the logarithm, as this significantly affects the behavior of the function. The discussion highlights the need for clarity regarding definitions and assumptions in mathematical statements.

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if 0 < a < b < 1, is log(a) < log (b) true for all a and b?
I haven't found any counter example but just to make it sure.
 
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Hi l-1j-cho! :smile:

Yes, it is actually true for any 0 < a < b, since the log function is a strictly increasing function.
 
thank you!
 
take log b - log a and differentiate it.
 
It is true for a<b and we know that the domain is (0,infinity) where the base is greater than 1 Because The exponetial function are increasing function with base greater than one and we know that logarithms are inverse functions of exponetial functions try to prove it.

Thanks
 
It depends upon what you mean by the log function -- what base is being used.

If 1 < G,
then log G (x) is strictly increasing on its entire domain, (0, +∞).

However, 0 < 1/G < 1 and we have log 1/G (x) is strictly decreasing on its entire domain, (0, +∞). You conjuncture would be false in this case​

So if by the log function, you mean loge a.k.a. ln, or if you mean log10, then the log function is strictly increasing.

If on the other hand, you are referring to the logarithm function generically, then your conjecture is true if and only if the base is greater than 1.

It is somewhat unusual to use a logarithm with a base in the range (0, 1).
 
SammyS said:
It is somewhat unusual to use a logarithm with a base in the range (0, 1).

I didn't understand what you mean here.Why it is unusual ?
 
It's just unusual to see something like log 0.2 (6), for example.

If 1 < G, then 0 < 1/G < 1 .

Doing a change of base gives:
[tex]\log_{\,1/G}\,(x) =\frac{\log\,_G\,(x)}{\log_{\,\,G}\,(1/G)}=-\log_{\,G}\,(x)[/tex]
 

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