Is McCain Going To Discard Palin?

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The discussion revolves around the potential for John McCain to replace Sarah Palin as his running mate in the upcoming election. Participants explore the implications of such a move, considering factors like voter sentiment, political strategy, and the timing of the election.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that replacing Palin could be a strategic move for McCain to regain competitiveness against Obama, given the current dissent over her qualifications and controversies surrounding her.
  • Others argue that replacing Palin would alienate the radical base of the Republican party, which is seen as a crucial voter bloc for McCain.
  • A few participants express skepticism about the feasibility of a replacement so close to the election, noting that many voters have already cast their ballots.
  • There are claims that Palin was chosen partly by default, as other potential candidates declined the offer, and that her selection aimed to appease certain voter demographics.
  • Some participants highlight that recent polls indicate a significant disapproval rating for Palin, particularly among women under 50, questioning the effectiveness of her candidacy in attracting female voters.
  • A suggestion is made that if Palin were to withdraw, it should appear to be her decision to mitigate backlash, and that introducing a figure like Lieberman could broaden appeal without losing the current base.
  • Concerns are raised that any attempt to replace Palin would be perceived as erratic and desperate, potentially damaging McCain's campaign further.
  • One participant expresses a desire for Palin to remain on the ticket, anticipating the fallout from her performance in the election.
  • Another comment reflects on the long-term implications for female Republican candidates, suggesting that Palin's candidacy could negatively influence future nominations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of opinions, with no consensus on whether replacing Palin would be beneficial or detrimental to McCain's campaign. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the implications of her candidacy.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the timing of the election and the impact of early voting on the feasibility of changing the running mate. There are also references to the political dynamics within the Republican party and the potential backlash from different voter groups.

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Perhaps this is just the surprise factor that he needs to get into contention with Obama. With all of the current dissent over her qualifications and recently the wardrobe spending as well the " bringing along the children by having Alaska pay for it " issues could the Republican party be considering other options to revamp their campaign?
 
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Who would agree to replace her? Even if she manufactured an excuse for withdrawing that was believable (apart from her abject stupidity and lack of qualifications), the radical base would be infuriated at her departure, and right now, that's the only dependable voter bloc that McCain has. Furthermore, what Republican wants to jump on McCain's ship? People on McCain's rumored "short list" were wined and dined and then passed over in favor of Palin, who McCain called the "most qualified" of his candidates for the position.

Don't forget that in states that encourage early and/or absentee voting, lots of people have already cast their votes, and those voters are essentially lost to any effort to revamp the McCain ticket. They have already voted for McCain or Obama (or a third-party candidate) and their die is cast. Last-minute gyrations can't change their votes.
 
It's too late now - just two weeks to election day.

Even if Palin had a legitimate reason to drop out, no one would see it that way. It would appear that McCain was asking for a mulligan - which would be political suicide.
 
I heard from some conservative friends that McCain has asked others and they declined, so Palin was partly by default, and partly to appease the religious right and evangelicals, and also to attract Clinton supporters who claimed their willingness to defect from the democratic party.

Given the early voting, I don't see how McCain could dump Palin. She of course could quit on her own, and that would have interesting repurcussions.

Interestingly - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20081022/pl_ynews/ynews_pl106
Old conventional political wisdom dictates that vice presidential picks don't change the outcome of a race. When Sarah Palin received larger fanfare than John McCain a month ago, the pundits cautioned, "people vote for President, not for Vice President."

Well, vice presidential candidates may not win elections, but this year it's looking increasingly likely that Sarah Palin may help lose one.

In an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released last night, the number one concern about McCain was Palin's perceived lack of qualifications.
 
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Astronuc said:
I heard from some conservative friends that McCain has asked others and they declined, so Palin was partly by default, and partly to appease the religious right and evangelicals, and also to attract Clinton supporters who claimed their willingness to defect from the democratic party.
The latest polls today show Palin has a 60% disapproval rating among women under 50. Well, guess bringing in the women's vote didn't work.
 
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It's too late now - just two weeks to election day.

Even if Palin had a legitimate reason to drop out, no one would see it that way. It would appear that McCain was asking for a mulligan - which would be political suicide.

Exactly.

He might as well put a tattoo across his forehead that reads ERRATIC.
 
I'm not so sure it wouldn't be a good move for the Republicans so long as it appeared to have been instigated by Palin herself.

As Evo pointed out one of the major turn-off for many voters is Palin and as the right wing are at this stage already locked onto the McCain ticket, the introduction of someone such as Lieberman (who himself has nothing to lose) in the VP slot would create an interesting scenario. I see it as broadening their appeal without any loss of their current base.
 
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Art said:
I'm not so sure it wouldn't be a good move for the Republicans so long as it appeared to have been instigated by Palin herself.

As Evo pointed out one of the major turn-off for many voters is Palin and as the right wing are at this stage already locked onto the McCain ticket, the introduction of someone such as Lieberman (who himself has nothing to lose) in the VP slot would create an interesting scenario. I see it as broadening their appeal without any loss of their current base.

Except of course that at this point regardless of what the announced reasons are it would be seen for what it is - a last desperate effort to remake themselves. That still smells of erratic.

And choosing Lieberman would be like the most distasteful bait and switch the Far Right would ever have had to endure. I think you could kiss their election day participation a swift good-bye.
 
LowlyPion said:
He might as well put a tattoo across his forehead that reads ERRATIC.
Wouldn't it be the maverick thing to do?
 
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mgb_phys said:
Wouldn't it be the maverick thing to do?

Agreed it would certainly be a mavericky thing to do.

Actually I hope that she doesn't get replaced. I look forward to the concession speeches on election evening as the sun sets in Alaska and as the Nation puts a -30- on her pitiful clueless star turn on the National stage.

Let Alaskans pick the bones of her popularity clean for all I care.
 
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It does mean she will be the last women republican candidate for a few decades. Whatever committe chooses nominees will be able to show that female candidates are a disaster.
 

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