Is My Epsilon-Delta Proof of a Limit Correct?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of an epsilon-delta proof for the limit \(\lim_{x\rightarrow 10} {x^2} = 100\). Participants explore various methods to establish the proof, including attempts to simplify the argument and clarify the relationship between epsilon and delta.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial proof attempt using the epsilon-delta definition, expressing uncertainty about its correctness and seeking feedback.
  • Another participant suggests a simpler approach by bounding \(|x^2 - 100|\) with \(|x - 10||x + 10|\) and proposes using the triangle inequality to simplify the proof.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of bounding delta and suggest that \(\delta\) can be constrained to a simple value, such as 1, to facilitate the proof.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between epsilon and delta, with one participant questioning the use of \(x\) in defining epsilon and another clarifying that the goal is to derive \(\delta\) as a function of \(\epsilon\).
  • Participants explore the consequences of bounding \(|x + 10|\) and how it relates to the overall proof structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the initial proof. There are multiple competing views on how to approach the epsilon-delta proof, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to establish the limit.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the definitions and relationships between epsilon and delta, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the epsilon-delta framework.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in calculus, particularly those studying limits and epsilon-delta proofs, may find this discussion beneficial for understanding different approaches and common pitfalls in formulating proofs.

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Hey there, I'm new to this forum. Today I thought I would brush up on my calculus.
I would just like to know if my method is correct. Is there an easier way to prove this ?
By the way, it's my first time using LaTeX, so bear with me.

I am trying to prove the following :

<br /> \lim_{x\rightarrow 10} {x^2} = 100<br />
So, I must find a δ in which the following holds

<br /> \forall\epsilon&gt;0\ \exists\ \delta&gt;0\ such\ that\ 0&lt;|x - 10| &lt; \delta \implies |x^2 - 100|&lt; \epsilon<br />
I observe the following
|x-10| = |x + (-10)| and by triangle inequality, |x|+|-10| &gt; |x-10| We will also note that |x| + |-10| = |x| + |10|\implies|x|+|10|&gt;|x-10|
Now we can find a δ in terms of ε. By reverse triangle inequality,
|x^2 - 100|\geq||x^2| - |100||\ and\ ||x^2| - |100||&gt;|x^2| - |100|\ and \ |x^2| - |100| = |x|^2 - |10|^2\implies\epsilon &gt; |x|^2 - |10|^2 Using this we can see that,\frac{\epsilon+|10|^2}{|x|}&gt;|x|\ as\ well\ as \ \frac{\epsilon-|x|^2}{|10|^2}&gt;|10| \ and\ since\ we\ know:\ |x|+|10| &gt; |x-10|,
\implies \frac{\epsilon+|10|^2}{|x|} + \frac{\epsilon-|x|^2}{|10|} &gt; |x-10|
So take \delta = \frac{\epsilon+|10|^2}{|x|} + \frac{\epsilon-|x|^2}{|10|}

Is this correct? I would be really grateful if I got some feedback!
Can we also say the function is continuous \forall c\in\mathbb R in the following way.
\lim_{x\rightarrow c} {x^2} = c^2 just take \delta = \frac{\epsilon+|c|^2}{|x|} + \frac{\epsilon-|x|^2}{|c|}
 
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DarthRoni said:
Hey there, I'm new to this forum. Today I thought I would brush up on my calculus.
I would just like to know if my method is correct. Is there an easier way to prove this ?
By the way, it's my first time using LaTeX, so bear with me.

I am trying to prove the following :

<br /> \lim_{x\rightarrow 10} {x^2} = 100<br />
So, I must find a δ in which the following holds

<br /> \forall\epsilon&gt;0\ \exists\ \delta&gt;0\ such\ that\ 0&lt;|x - 10| &lt; \delta \implies |x^2 - 100|&lt; \epsilon<br />
I observe the following
|x-10| = |x + (-10)| and by triangle inequality, |x|+|-10| &gt; |x-10| We will also note that |x| + |-10| = |x| + |10|\implies|x|+|10|&gt;|x-10|
Now we can find a δ in terms of ε. By reverse triangle inequality,
|x^2 - 100|\geq||x^2| - |100||\ and\ ||x^2| - |100||&gt;|x^2| - |100|\ and \ |x^2| - |100| = |x|^2 - |10|^2\implies\epsilon &gt; |x|^2 - |10|^2 Using this we can see that,\frac{\epsilon+|10|^2}{|x|}&gt;|x|\ as\ well\ as \ \frac{\epsilon-|x|^2}{|10|^2}&gt;|10| \ and\ since\ we\ know:\ |x|+|10| &gt; |x-10|,
\implies \frac{\epsilon+|10|^2}{|x|} + \frac{\epsilon-|x|^2}{|10|} &gt; |x-10|
So take \delta = \frac{\epsilon+|10|^2}{|x|} + \frac{\epsilon-|x|^2}{|10|}

Is this correct? I would be really grateful if I got some feedback!
Can we also say the function is continuous \forall c\in\mathbb R in the following way.
\lim_{x\rightarrow c} {x^2} = c^2 just take \delta = \frac{\epsilon+|c|^2}{|x|} + \frac{\epsilon-|x|^2}{|c|}

That seems incredibly overcomplicated.

##|x^2-100| = |x-10||x+10| < δ|x+10|##

Now by the triangle inequality:

##|x+10| = |x - 10 + 20| ≤ |x-10| + 20 < δ + 20##

Now bound delta, what can you conclude?
 
Can we just say \epsilon = \delta|x+10|\implies\frac{\epsilon}{|x+10|}=\delta
 
DarthRoni said:
Can we just say \epsilon = \delta|x+10|\implies\frac{\epsilon}{|x+10|}=\delta

Bound delta by the simplest real number you can think of ##δ ≤ 1##.

Now what can you conclude?

##δ|x+10| < δ(δ+20)##
 
I see now ! take\ \delta ≤ 1\implies |x+10|≤ 1+2|10| and so since we can say\epsilon = \delta |x+10| \implies \frac{\epsilon}{1+2|10|} = \delta
 
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DarthRoni said:
Oh is see ! Suppose |x-10|&lt;1\implies |x+10| &lt; 1 + 2|10|\ and\ |x^2 - 100| &lt; \delta(\delta + 20) So we can take \epsilon = \delta^2 + 20\delta \implies \epsilon = (1+2|10|)^2 + 20(1+2|10|) \implies \frac{\epsilon}{1+2|10|} - 20 = \delta

You could go as far as to say:

##δ(δ+20) ≤ 21δ## because ##δ ≤ 1##.

Then you could conclude:
##21δ ≤ ε##
##δ ≤ \frac{ε}{21}##

So ##δ = min\{1, \frac{ε}{21}\}##
 
Thanks so your help I realized my answer was wrong after I posted it, Why is it we cannot use x to represent out epsilon ?
 
DarthRoni said:
Thanks so your help I realized my answer was wrong after I posted it, Why is it we cannot use x to represent out epsilon ?

##x## has nothing to do with ##ε##. The objective is to get a ##δ(ε)##.
 
I think I understand now, we are trying to find a bound on |x-c| and it doesn't make sense to include x in the value for \delta
 

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