Is My Free Body Diagram for a Frame Accurate?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the accuracy of a free body diagram (FBD) for a frame structure. Participants explore the concepts of rigid bodies, internal moments, and the importance of specific forces and joints in the context of mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests feedback on their FBD sketch and asks for resources.
  • Another participant notes the absence of force P and the location of point D in the sketch, emphasizing the need for the L-shaped element BC to be rigid to prevent collapse.
  • Several participants seek further clarification on the concept of rigid bodies and internal moments, expressing confusion about mechanics.
  • It is suggested that the participant may not yet grasp the fundamentals of simple joints, indicating that the complexity of the problem may be premature for their current understanding.
  • A clarification is provided that a free body diagram only shows external forces, including force P, and does not require internal forces to be depicted.
  • Resources are referenced for further study, including online tutorials and presentations related to free body diagrams and static equilibrium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concepts discussed, with some indicating confusion about rigid bodies and internal moments. There is no consensus on the accuracy of the original FBD sketch, and multiple viewpoints on the necessary components and principles remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in understanding basic mechanics concepts, which may affect their ability to engage with the problem at hand. The discussion reflects a range of knowledge levels among participants.

YehiaMedhat
Messages
21
Reaction score
3
Homework Statement
Can you check my free body diagrams for the whole frames
Relevant Equations
$\sum F_y=0,\sum F_x=0$
Screenshot_20221224-203634_Xodo Docs.jpg
can you check if I sketched it correctly?
And please if you know any good resources refrence it.
Screenshot_20221224-171241_Xodo Docs.jpg
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Welcome, @YehiaMedhat !

It seems to me that P is missing, as well as location of D.
Note that for the armature not to collapse, the L-shaped element BC must be rigid and resisting an internal moment.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: YehiaMedhat
More explanation please.
And where could i find info i need for this?
 
YehiaMedhat said:
More explanation please.
The joint where B and C meet is the only rigid joint in the structure. Can you not see how the whole thing would just fold downwards against the wall if BC is not rigid?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Lnewqban
It seems that i don't even understand what rigid body means
 
YehiaMedhat said:
It seems that i don't even understand what rigid body means
It means a body for which none of the parts can move relative to each other. Only the whole body can move.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: YehiaMedhat
Well I understand that but why there's an internal moment and where i should put on the sketch.
I'm sorry but all the mechanics is confusing so I try hard to gather informed together
 
YehiaMedhat said:
Well I understand that but why there's an internal moment and where i should put on the sketch.
I'm sorry but all the mechanics is confusing so I try hard to gather informed together
It seems to me that your problem here is that you don't understand the fundamentals of simple joints yet, so a problem this complex is beyond you. I recommend studying the basic more.
 
Can you refrence a specific object.
Cause I actually did revise from the text book and online tutorials about fbd and frames in general
 
  • #10
YehiaMedhat said:
Well I understand that but why there's an internal moment and where i should put on the sketch.
I'm sorry but all the mechanics is confusing so I try hard to gather informed together
Clarification:
You don't need to put any internal force on the sketch, as a FBD only shows external forces on each member.
That includes force P, which you have not shown.

Please, see:
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-osuniversityphysics/chapter/5-7-drawing-free-body-diagrams/

and

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/s.../chapter/12-2-examples-of-static-equilibrium/

Sorry about the induced confusion.
I just tried to imply that the L=shaped member BC could be replaced with a straight string, rope or chain, without affecting the static balance of the armature.

eng130C4_t1-scaled.jpg
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: YehiaMedhat
  • #11
That's great. Thanks for help Mr. Lnewqban and Mr. Phindin
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Lnewqban
  • #12
YehiaMedhat said:
That's great. Thanks for help Mr. Lnewqban and Mr. Phindin
You are welcome. :smile:

In these problems, the first step is to treat the armature as a solid regarding forces and reactions acting on it.
For that, you use the three equations of balance of x-forces, y-forces and moments that you know.

In that way, you can find the values of the reactions (at points A and B in this case).
You can then use those calculated values to solve the rest of the questions in the problem (forces at connections of links).

If interested, please see this presentation:
https://www.iitg.ac.in/rkbc/me101/Presentation/L-06-08.pdf

🎄:cool: 🎄
 
Last edited:
  • #13
That's great.
👍
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Lnewqban

Similar threads

  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 31 ·
2
Replies
31
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
963
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
1K