Is my power calculation correct?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of power requirements for a conveyor system designed to move 1000 kilograms of material using a steel rope and pulley system. Participants explore the implications of friction coefficients and the accuracy of the power calculations involved in moving the load at a low speed of 0.3 m/s.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines their power calculation method, detailing the forces involved, including friction and the force required to accelerate the mass from rest.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of using the static coefficient of friction for accurate calculations and suggests allowing for a margin of extra power to account for unpredictable frictional forces.
  • A third participant mentions a commercially available winch rated at 5hp for holding 1000 kg vertically, questioning its adequacy for horizontal movement.
  • Further discussion raises the uncertainty regarding the static friction coefficient and its potential to exceed the weight of the load, suggesting that the material properties and contact surfaces are critical to the calculations.
  • The original poster expresses a willingness to conduct experiments to determine the range of static and rolling friction values, seeking validation of their approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the adequacy of the original power calculation, with multiple competing views on the importance of friction coefficients and the reliability of the winch's power rating for the intended application.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the variability and unpredictability of friction in practical applications, indicating that the assumptions made regarding friction coefficients may significantly impact the power requirements.

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I am currently working on designing a conveyor for feeding 1t material to a furnace. Not going into detail of how it works, I would just like to confirm my approach.

Goal: To move 1000 kilograms of mass using steel rope/pulley system. Determining power requirement

It would be a bucket mounted on two wheels running at a very low speed (0.3 m/s) over a mild steel I-beam. From literature around the internet, friciton values are:

mild steel on mild steel (0.74 static, 0.6 dynamic)
rail wheel on steel rail rolling resistance 0.0020

I am calculating power as follows:

Speed desired: 0.3 m/s
Time to achieve the speed: Not important but taking it to be 1s
Mass to be moved: 950 kg + bucket assembly (~50 kg) = 1000 kg

Friction to be overcome while driving: 1000 x 9.8 x 0.002 = 19.6N (2 wheels so 39.2N)
Force to move the mass from rest: F=ma > F=1000 x (0.3-0/1s) = 300N

Total force= 340N

Power required: F x v = 340 x 0.3 = 102 W or 0.13 hp

Am I missing something ? I am a bit skeptical about finding force required to move the mass from rest as it uses the static friction value of 0.72 which makes the required power go up by a large amount.

Regards
 
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Stiction is a bear! That is the problem that you are facing here. If you want a realistic solution, you dare not use anything but the static coefficient of friction, and then give yourself a wide margin of extra power to overcome difficulties. Friction is extremely hard to prediction, and when it works against you, it can kill you!
 
I went to market and found a winch with 5hp that according to the shopkeeper, people purchase for holding 1000 kg vertically. In my case, the load is moving horizontally. So the 5hp is surely more than my requirement I guess.
 
It really depends. Can you tell yourself with certainty that μstatic ≤ 1? If not, then the frictional resistance could exceed the weight, and this winch may not be enough. A great deal depends upon the surfaces that are in contact - the material being moved and the stationary support surface - and you have not given much information about them. You are the design engineer. Just do what you have to do, and move ahead.
 
Thanks for the advice. I will surely do some experimentation to determine the band of values in which the u(static) and u(rolling) falls. Rest I hope my approach is ok ? Just for counter-check
 

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