Is N3 a Subgroup of Dihedral Group Dih(12)?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the subset N3 derived from the dihedral group Dih(12). Participants are examining whether N3 qualifies as a subgroup based on its elements and the results of a multiplication table.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to identify the elements of N3 and prove its subgroup status by constructing a multiplication table. Some participants question the calculations involved in determining the elements of N3, particularly regarding the operation (αβ)³.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the calculations and reasoning behind the subgroup properties of N3. There is a recognition of potential errors in the original poster's approach, with suggestions for clarification and further exploration of the multiplication results.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the application of group operations and the implications of the results on subgroup status. Participants are also considering the definitions and properties of the elements involved in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Taking the Dih(12) = {α,β :α6 = 1, β2 = 1, βα = α-1β}
and a function Nr = {gr: g element of Dih(12)}



Homework Equations


Taking the above I have to find the elements of N3. And then prove that N3 is not a subgroup of Dih(12).


The Attempt at a Solution


For N3 I have determined the following are elements. 1, α3, β, βα3.
Now to attempt to prove whether these elements form a subgroup of Dih(12) I created the multiplication table. The result was the table was closed and so I would assume that the aforementioned subset is a subgroup.
I assume I have done one of two things wrong; either
a) My understanding of generating n3 is misguided, though if I take an element of Dih(12), say αβ, and then using the function defined I get (αβ)3 = α3ββ = α3.

or b) my multiplication table is wrong.

Any help on what my mistake is is appreciated.
 
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facepalmer said:
(αβ)3 = α3ββ = α3.

I don't get how you did this calculation. Could you show more steps??
 
I think you did (αβ)^3 = α^3β^3 but actually (αβ)^3=αβαβαβ

so say (αβ)^3= g then αβαβαβ=g so βαβαβ=α^-1g

thus βαβαβ=βαβg so g=αβ
 
in reply to micromass...
(σβ)3 I did: αβαβαβ = αααβββ = α3β3 = α3β (as ββ = 1)
Now, if I follow what conquest has said I should have (and recalling βα = α-1β)
(σβ)3 = αβαβαβ = αα-1α-1β = 1α-1β = βα.
and for some of the other elements I get
2β)3 = α2βα2βα2β = α2α-2ββα2β = α2β
3β)3 = α3βα3βα3β = α3α-3ββα3β = α3β

therefore If I apply the same understanding as above to every element of Dih(12) I get the following results for N3
...
So the elements of N3 are
1, α3, β, βα, βα2, βα3, βα4, βα5

and if I do out the multiplication table all elements of N3 are contained in the table, along with the following elements that are not elements of the set N3
α, α2, α4, α5
hence N3 is not a subgroup of Dih(12).

Am I going on the right tracks with this?
 
I should also add that for
(α)3 = ααα = α3
2)3 = α2α2α2 = α6 = 1
3)3 = α3α3α3 = α9 = α6α3 = α3
4)3 = α4α4α4 = α12 = α6α6 = 1
5)3 = α5α5α5 = α15 = α12α3 = α3
 
exactly for instance:

β³=β
(αβ)³=αβ

and βαβ=α-1= α5

which is not in N3
 
Excellent, many thanks!
 

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