Is particle physics that important?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the importance of particle physics in the context of pursuing advanced topics such as general relativity, quantum gravity, and string theory. Participants explore the relevance of foundational knowledge in particle physics for future studies and express varying opinions on the subject's engagement and necessity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a lack of interest in particle physics, finding it boring and questioning whether it is necessary for their future studies in quantum gravity and string theory.
  • Another participant suggests that relativistic electromagnetism is an important course that could lead into general relativity, questioning the content of the particle physics course and its relation to quantum field theory.
  • Some participants share a sentiment that while particle physics can be boring, they find general relativity more engaging due to their understanding of its concepts.
  • A later reply questions the necessity of "ordinary" particle physics for a theoretical physicist, comparing it to the relationship between Newtonian dynamics and Lagrangian dynamics, suggesting that Lagrangian dynamics may be more useful.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the importance and engagement level of particle physics, with no consensus on whether it is essential for future studies in theoretical physics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note a potential lack of preparation for understanding particle physics, which may influence their perceptions of its importance. There are also references to specific courses and concepts, but the discussion does not resolve the necessity of foundational knowledge in particle physics.

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Hey!

I will start my third year on the theoretical physics program. I have taken an introduction course in particle physics, just the basics, not much math. (quark and Feynman diagrams the forces and interaction , CRM matrix and cabibbo angle etc. )

Now I'm choosing between relativistic electromagnetism (which seems like a great course) and particle physics.

I want to do general relativity, quantum gravity and string theory in my master. I really think that particle physics is extremely boring, I simply don't click with the standardmodell and the formalism, its nothing for me.

But I know that quantum gravity models is a lot of particle physics on higher energies. So am I stupid not to get good at particle physics and take the advanced course? Or can I be sloppy about, course-wise, until I need it?

Can someone give me some advice here based on their experience?

Thanks in advance!
 
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I assume that relativistic electromagnetism means a course on electromagnetism using the covariant formulation. If so, then that is an important course and a good lead into general relativity. What does this "particle physics" course actually entail? Is it really a course on quantum field theory? It would probably be helpful to know what the textbooks are for these courses.
 
Want to learn string theory without knowing particle physics!

If particle physics is boring (I find it boring sometimes too), string theory is 10× more boring than that ^^" << No offense

For me, general relativity is way more exciting because I understand its concepts to a certain extent, I find particle physics boring because I understand nearly nothing. Maybe you are just not prepared for it and you need more understanding of the basic rules of physics.
 
Phylosopher said:
Want to learn string theory without knowing particle physics!

If particle physics is boring (I find it boring sometimes too), string theory is 10× more boring than that ^^" << No offense

For me, general relativity is way more exciting because I understand its concepts to a certain extent, I find particle physics boring because I understand nearly nothing. Maybe you are just not prepared for it and you need more understanding of the basic rules of physics.
Hi!

I don't think the concept is boring, more the formalism. But my question really is. In QFT, we come to particlephysics and the standard model by understand relativistic wave equations for spin 0, 1/2 and 1 fields. But do I still need "ordinary" particle physics or can I more or less leave that out?

I get the feeling that its like Newtonian dynamics and Lagrangian dynamics. There's no reason for a theoretical physicist to lay much focus on Newtonian dynamics, since lagrangian dynamics arrives at the same results, but are more useful.
 

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