Is pipe friction more important than velocity in determining pumping pressure?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between pipe friction, velocity, and pumping pressure in fluid dynamics. Participants are examining how these factors influence pumping power and flow rates in pipes of different diameters.

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  • Participants are analyzing the implications of changing pipe diameter on volumetric flow rate and pressure. There is a focus on the assumptions made in the provided diagrams and formulas, particularly regarding constant volumetric flow rate and the effects of pipe friction.

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Some participants are questioning the assumptions about flow rates and the impact of pipe diameter on pressure and friction. There is an ongoing exploration of how these factors interact, with no clear consensus yet on the implications for pumping power.

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in the notes , we can see that the formula of pumping power per unit time is (pressure)(volume rate),
so pumping power is directly proportional to volume rate ...
but , the author told that the pumping power is proportional to the length of pipe , and inversely proportional 4th power of radius ...
As we can see , the volume rate has the formula of [delta(P) (R^4) / (8 μ L ) ] , so when R increases by factor of 2 , the volume rate should increases by factor of 16 , thus the pumping power is 16 times the pipe with radius R , am i right ? however , in diagram 8-14, it's different

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No, you are not right. No where does it say anything about changing the pump to a larger size.

Diagram 8-14 : the assumption is that the volumetric flow rate is constant.
 
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256bits said:
No, you are not right. No where does it say anything about changing the pump to a larger size.

Diagram 8-14 : the assumption is that the volumetric flow rate is constant.
assuming the volumetric flow rate in both pipe is constant , thus W / time = P (volume rate ) ... now , only thr pressure is changing ...since in the large pipe , the velocity of water is slow , so the pressure is high ... thus , the pumping power should be higher than the thin pipe , right ?
 
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assuming the volumetric flow rate in both pipe is constant , thus W / time = P (volume rate ) ... now , only thr pressure is changing ...since in the large pipe , the velocity of water is slow , so the pressure is high ... thus , the pumping power should be higher than the thin pipe , right ?
You are forgetting that the pipe friction is greater in the smaller diameter pipe.
The pump has to produce a greater pressure pumping through a smaller pipe.
 
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256bits said:
You are forgetting that the pipe friction is greater in the smaller diameter pipe.
The pump has to produce a greater pressure pumping through a smaller pipe.
the pipe friction outweigh the (v^2) / 2g ? , so the the pumping pressure in small pipe is higher?
 

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