Is Rank(A) Equal to Trace(AA*) and When Does AB-BA=I Hold?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the rank of a matrix and the trace of the product of a matrix with its conjugate transpose, as well as the conditions under which the equation AB - BA = I holds for matrices A and B. The scope includes theoretical aspects of linear algebra and matrix properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Rank(A) is not equal to Trace(AA*), but rather Rank(A) equals Rank(AA*).
  • One participant provides an example where A is a 2x2 matrix, showing that while Rank(AA*) is 2, the Trace(AA*) is 8, indicating a discrepancy.
  • Participants question whether there exist matrices A and B such that AB - BA = I, particularly in the context of complex numbers and finite fields like Z/Z2.
  • There is a suggestion to explore the equation AB - BA = I by calculating it for general 2x2 matrices.
  • Clarification is made that the original question about Rank(A) and Trace(AA*) was misunderstood, and the focus should be on whether Rank(A) equals Trace(AA*).

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Participants generally disagree on the relationship between Rank(A) and Trace(AA*), with some asserting it is not true that they are equal. The question regarding the existence of matrices A and B such that AB - BA = I remains unresolved, with no consensus on the conditions under which this holds.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the fields of the matrices and the specific properties of the matrices being considered. The exploration of the equation AB - BA = I is suggested to be approached through specific examples, but no definitive conclusions are drawn.

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Rank(A)= Trace(AA*) ??

I have two questions and I hope it is acceptable...Seemingly unrelated, though I came to wonder about the first while thinking the second. Thanks

1)Is this statement true? or is there a statement that relates Rank(A) and Trace(??)

2) AB-BA=I (When does this identity hold if at all? Field can be closed or Z/Z2, or etc)
 
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Hi arthurhenry! :smile:

The first one is not true. It is true that Rank(A)=Rank(AA*). But it isn't in general true that Rank(AA*)=Trace(AA*). For example, take

A=\left(\begin{array}{cc} 2 & 0\\ 0 & 2\\ \end{array}\right)

Then AA* has rank 2, but the trace is 8.

The second one is not true too. Take A the zero matrix and B an arbitrary matrix.
 


Perhaps I was not clear, I will phrase it correctly:

2)Does there exist matrices A and B such that AB-BA=I holds?

In particular, what is the answer to the question in the case the field is Complex NUmbers and in the case the field is Z/Z2 ?

1) Is rank(A) equal to Trace(A*A) ?

not "is the rank(A*A) equal to Trace (A*A)?" As you have pointed out this one is definittely incorrect.
 


arthurhenry said:
Perhaps I was not clear, I will phrase it correctly:

2)Does there exist matrices A and B such that AB-BA=I holds?

In particular, what is the answer to the question in the case the field is Complex NUmbers and in the case the field is Z/Z2 ?

Well, try it yourself. Take general 2x2-matrices and calculate AB-BA. Then solve the system to see whether they can equal I...

1) Is rank(A) equal to Trace(A*A) ?

not "is the rank(A*A) equal to Trace (A*A)?" As you have pointed out this one is definittely incorrect.

We have that rank(A)=rank(A*A), so the same example applies.
 

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