Is string theory the solution to the problem of infinities in quantum gravity?

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The discussion revolves around the potential of string theory to address the problem of infinities in quantum gravity, contrasting it with loop quantum gravity (LQG) and exploring the nature of interactions in both frameworks. Participants examine the implications of extended objects versus point particles in the context of quantum interactions and ultraviolet divergences.

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  • Some participants advocate for LQG, suggesting that it regularizes itself through quantized volumes, while others highlight string theory's approach of smearing interactions over extended objects instead of point particles.
  • There is a question about whether extended objects can be considered as clumps of point-like objects, with some arguing that this is not the case, while others suggest that interactions may still occur at discrete points.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how having an extended dimension resolves the problem of infinities, noting that the cross-section remains point-like perpendicular to the string.
  • Another participant clarifies that interactions between extended objects could occur at a finite number of points, which may relate to the mathematical formulation of the theory.
  • One participant mentions that standard particle interactions work at zero distance but break down with gravity, leading to ultraviolet divergences, while string theory's representation of gravitons as closed loop strings allows for interactions at greater than zero distance, potentially avoiding these breakdowns.
  • It is noted that string theory aims to unify all forces and provide a theory of everything, unlike other theories of quantum gravity that focus solely on gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of string theory versus loop quantum gravity in addressing the problem of infinities, with no consensus reached on which framework is superior or more effective.

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Participants discuss the nature of interactions in both theories, highlighting assumptions about the dimensionality of objects and the mathematical treatment of interactions, but do not resolve these complexities.

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I believe in LQG where the theory itself regularises itself (quantised volumes)...string theory is supposed to account for infinities too cus the interaction is smeared over extended objects rather than point particles...

First of all interactions don't occur at points in perturbative quantum gravity in the same sense of Fermi theory.

In string theory we take a step back in that strings do interact directly as in Fermi theory.

Second, so what if it is extended objects that interct??...say an extended object interacts with another extended object say at n points - doesn't that just say the UV divergence will be a power of n times greater than that for point particle interactions just divided by n??

Probably a stupid question...Im bit tired. cats among pigeons.
 
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Why do you think an extended object is a clump of N point-like objects? Isn't the whole point of extended objects that they're not?

Now, I don't really know anything about string theory, so I can't really comment on how this works. It seems a little puzzling to me too that having one extended dimension immediately solves this problem. After all, the cross section is still point-like perpendicular to the string.
 
julian said:
..., so what if it is extended objects that interct??...say an extended object interacts with another extended object say at n points -...

clamtrox said:
Why do you think an extended object is a clump of N point-like objects? ...

Actually I don't think Julian was suggesting that (extended object = finite number of point objects).

The example was two extended objects that INTERACT at a finite number of points.

I think that's how it has to be if (in the math formulation of the theory) interaction is treated as occurring at discrete points. Just my guess, hopefully J. will clear it up for you. BTW I was impressed by the recent discussion in Relativity forum https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=587239 involving several people and think it might relate to the topic here. I post the link just in case it does.
 
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I did mean to extend from N to infinty. I think I was being a bit frivolous. I think you draw out the world sheets of two interacting strings and then note that you can't identify a single point of inetraction.
 
julian said:
I believe in LQG where the theory itself regularises itself (quantised volumes)...string theory is supposed to account for infinities too cus the interaction is smeared over extended objects rather than point particles...

First of all interactions don't occur at points in perturbative quantum gravity in the same sense of Fermi theory.

In string theory we take a step back in that strings do interact directly as in Fermi theory.

Second, so what if it is extended objects that interct??...say an extended object interacts with another extended object say at n points - doesn't that just say the UV divergence will be a power of n times greater than that for point particle interactions just divided by n??

Probably a stupid question...Im bit tired. cats among pigeons.

Hi,

Remember, standard particle interactions work fine at zero sitance. The problem comes when you introduce gravity.

Gravity must be transmitted on quantum scales by a particle known as a graviton, so that particle interactions with gravity can be mathematically studied and understood.

When gravitons interact with particles at zero distance, as shown by the standard models attempt to include them, everything caves in. The equations break down into ultraviolet divergances, and infinities arise.

But in string theory, the graviton is represented by a closed loop string, allowing it to interact with particles at greater than zero distance, which elimnates any mathematical breakdowns, and allows for a coherant theory of quantum gravity. But remember: String theory's goal has never been to unify to provide a quantum description of gravity. But John Schwarz showed that it could, which made it much more attractive. Though, string theory seeks to unify all forces and provide a theory of everything - unlike other theories of QG which deal purely with gravity.
 
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