Is the age of the Universe "boundless"?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of whether the age of the Universe is "boundless," exploring theoretical implications of time and existence in cosmology. It touches on various models and interpretations, including those proposed by Stephen Hawking and the Big Bang Theory.

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  • Some participants reference a Quora post suggesting that Stephen Hawking's work indicates time is boundless in both directions, implying the Universe has no beginning or end.
  • Others point out that the Big Bang Theory does not provide clarity on a "creation event" or what may have existed prior, leaving the question of the Universe's age unresolved.
  • It is noted that while current models suggest the Universe will continue expanding indefinitely, the question of whether it has a finite age or has always existed remains open for research.
  • A participant explains Hawking's "no boundary" proposal, which suggests that the early Universe's spacetime geometry renders "time" meaningless, proposing a model that does not imply an infinite past or a starting boundary.
  • There is mention that Hawking's "no boundary" proposal is not widely accepted as a valid model, though the reasons for this are not detailed in the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the Universe's age, with no consensus reached on whether it is boundless or finite. The discussion includes competing interpretations and models without resolution.

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Limitations include the lack of consensus on the validity of various models, the dependence on interpretations of cosmological theories, and the unresolved nature of the concept of time in the context of the Universe's origins.

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I was reading this Quora post, and it seems to say that the late, great Stephen Hawking has proven this.

https://www.quora.com/Have-scientists-disproved-Stephen-Hawkings-theories-of-the-universe
His work in both areas has shown that time is boundless in both directions, both forwards and backwards, so the universe never had a “beginning” even though it was once super dense and it won’t have an “end” even though every atom in the universe will be iron and all the black holes will have dissolved.
 
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swampwiz said:
Is the age of the Universe "boundless"?
According to the currently accepted theory of Cosmology, The Big Bang Theory, that is unknown, since that theory is silent on any "creation event" and what might have gone before the time when there MIGHT have been a creation event.
 
Our current best model of the universe says that it will continue expanding forever, so it is "boundless" in the future. However, as @phinds says, our best current model does not make a claim one way or the other about whether it has a finite age to the past or whether it has always existed. That is still an open area of research.
 
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Note, btw, that Hawking's actual proposal for a universe being "boundless" in the past, which was called the "no boundary" proposal, was not that the universe had existed for an infinite time in the past, but that the spacetime geometry of the very early universe was such that "time" had no meaning there and there was no starting boundary. Basically, instead of the geometry of the universe either extending infinitely into the past or having an "edge" at an initial singularity, it would be more like a hemisphere joined to an expanding cone, with the join being something like the big bang (or possibly the start of inflation). The "expanding cone" part is the part which can be viewed as a conventional expanding universe. The "hemisphere" part is the "no boundary" part, where "time" is not a meaningful concept--it doesn't extend infinitely into the past (since the hemisphere is finite), but it also has no boundary (since the hemisphere has no edge anywhere).

AFAIK this proposal is not currently considered a contender for a valid model of the universe. But I'm not familiar with the details of why it is not.
 
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