Is the Black Hole Information Paradox Truly Resolved?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Black Hole Information Paradox, specifically whether it is truly resolved and how information is preserved in the context of black holes. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, literature, and differing perspectives on the paradox.

Discussion Character

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  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that information is believed to be preserved, but the mechanisms of preservation are still under investigation.
  • Others inquire about the consensus on the information paradox and reference the dispute between Susskind and Hawking, noting that Hawking eventually concedes to a resolution involving information preservation.
  • A participant mentions the holographic principle as a potential answer to the paradox, suggesting that recent literature supports the idea that information is not lost.
  • One participant requests specific references to support claims made about recent literature on the topic.
  • References to two papers are provided, but a later reply critiques the relevance of these papers, arguing that they operate within an asymptotically Anti-de Sitter spacetime framework, which may not be applicable to our universe.
  • The critique emphasizes the lack of empirical data and warns against claims of resolution regarding the information paradox, suggesting that such claims may be overly optimistic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the information paradox is resolved, with some believing in preservation of information and others challenging the applicability of current theoretical models. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the theoretical frameworks used in current literature, particularly the reliance on asymptotically Anti-de Sitter spacetime, which may not reflect the physical reality of our universe.

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what is the consensus about the information paradox?
from what I understand it is believed that information is preserved but we are still working out how exactly, is this the case?
 
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OCD said:
TL;DR Summary: what is the consensus about the information paradox?

from what I understand it is believed that information is preserved but we are still working out how exactly, is this the case?
What research have you done on this? What have you found so far?

Have you read "The Black Hole Wars" ?
 
phinds said:
What research have you done on this? What have you found so far?

Have you read "The Black Hole Wars" ?
no I haven't read "The Black Hole Wars" I know that it covers the dispute between Susskind and hawking and that Hawking eventually concedes to a information preservation resolution. from what I understand Susskind's answer to the paradox is the holographic principle. Most of the recent literature that I have found about this topic conclude that information is in fact not lost which is why I asked the question.
 
OCD said:
Most of the recent literature that I have found
Please provide specific references.
 
OCD said:
Thanks. Both of these papers illustrate a common problem with theoretical approaches to this issue (as well as many other issues). The framework they are working in is an asymptotically Anti-de Sitter (AdS) spacetime. This is commonly done in string theory and related fields because it is mathematically tractable. Unfortunately it is also physically irrelevant, because our universe is not asymptotically Anti-de Sitter, it is asymptotically de Sitter. So a physically relevant model would have to use something like Schwarzschild-de Sitter spacetime, i.e., a black hole in a de Sitter background.

And of course we have no actual data that shows anything relevant to the question, nor do we have any expectation of getting any any time soon.

In other words, anyone who claims that the black hole information paradox is "resolved", or that we "know" that information is preserved, is not accurately describing the actual state of research the field; instead, they are optimistically assuming that their preferred viewpoint will eventually end up being confirmed by relevant data and theoretical models.
 
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