Is the Circular Orbit in a Multi-Electron Atom Stable?

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The discussion revolves around the stability of circular orbits in a classical model of a multi-electron atom, specifically examining the effective potential derived from a modified electrostatic potential. Participants are tasked with showing conditions under which the circular orbit is unstable based on the effective potential's behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivation of the effective potential and the conditions for stability by examining the first and second derivatives. There is an inquiry into the correctness of the original poster's approach and the algebra involved in deriving inequalities related to stability.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the algebraic steps taken in the original poster's solution. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to eliminate the constant k from the potential before proceeding with the second derivative analysis. There is recognition of potential errors in the differentiation process.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a classical model and are required to follow specific steps outlined in the problem statement. The original poster's attempts have led to an inequality that may not align with the expected results, prompting further examination of their calculations.

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Homework Statement


In a classical model of a multi-electron atom, electrons are assumed to move in a modified electrostatic potential $V(r)$, given by;

$$V(r)=\dfrac{-k}{r}e^{-r/a}$$

Show that the effective potential is ;

$$V_e(r)=\dfrac{J^2}{2mr^2}+\dfrac{-k}{r}e^{-r/a}$$

Then show that the circular orbit is unstable unless;

$$ 0.5* (1+\sqrt{5}) \textgreater \dfrac{r}{a} $$

Homework Equations



Take the derivative of the effective potential and using the fact that it is zero at the radius of the circular orbit, express the constant k.

Then take the second derivative and because the orbit is stable the stationary point, at the radius of the circular orbit, must be a minima, hence the second derivative evaluated at the point is greater than 0 for orbit to be stable.

You insert the k from line 1 in order to simplify the equation and some terms cancel.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried to solve the problem multiple times and obtained;

$$k=e^{r/a}*\dfrac{J^2}{mr^3}(\dfrac{1}{r^2}+\dfrac{1}{a})^{-1}$$

this lead me to the inequality;

$$ \sqrt{1+\sqrt{2}} \textgreater \dfrac{r}{a}$$Could anyone tell me whether my approach is correct ??

Thank you
 
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What did you do to get that inequality?

What you were supposed to do, as the statement of the problem said, was use the expression for k to remove k from the potential. Then take the second derivative of that expression, now with no k in it. Then determine what makes that second derivative greater than 0.

What did you do?
 
That is exactly what I have done; I am attaching a figure with my working;
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Check your algebra when you take the first derivative. In particular, check what the derivative w.r.t. r of exp(-r/a) is.
 
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DEvens said:
Check your algebra when you take the first derivative. In particular, check what the derivative w.r.t. r of exp(-r/a) is.

Thank you for pointing this out, I cannot believe I made such a basic mistake.
 

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