Stable Circular Orbits in Planetary Motion: A Homework Solution

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The discussion revolves around the conditions for stable circular orbits in a potential described by U(r) = -A/r^n, focusing on the effective potential Ueff and its characteristics.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the requirement for Ueff to have a minimum for circular orbits to exist, questioning the validity of this condition, particularly for specific values of n.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the relationship between the effective potential and the conditions for circular motion. Some participants assert the necessity of a minimum in Ueff, while others seek clarification and proof of this assertion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are discussing the implications of the effective potential's behavior for different values of n, particularly noting that for n=1, the effective potential does not appear to have a minimum, raising questions about the assumptions involved.

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Homework Statement


Consider a particle moving in the potential U (r)= -A/r^n, where A>0. What are the values of n which admit stable circular orbits?

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I tried to solve by putting dr/dt=0 in the total energy equation E= T + Ueff. But it didn't work. Then I came across a solution which said that for the orbit to be circular, Ueff(r) needs to have a minima when plotted against r, where Ueff is the effective potential (L^2/2mr^2+ U (r)). But I don't understand why it has to, because when n=1, where circular orbits are possible, Ueff does not have a minima since it varies with 1/r.
 
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Prashant123 said:
Ueff does not have a minima since it varies with 1/r.
Yes it does. Ueff is the effective potential, not the actual potential. The effective potential includes the L^2/2mr^2 term in addition to the potential itself.
 
Orodruin said:
Yes it does. Ueff is the effective potential, not the actual potential. The effective potential includes the L^2/2mr^2 term in addition to the potential itself.
Yes. But I want to know if the statement "circular motion is possible in this case when Ueff has a minima when plotted against r" is true and how, as for n=1, Ueff= -Gm1m2/2r and this does not have a minima.
 
Prashant123 said:
I want to know if the statement "circular motion is possible in this case when Ueff has a minima when plotted against r" is true
It is true.

Prashant123 said:
and how, as for n=1, Ueff= -Gm1m2/2r and this does not have a minima.
You are wrong. For n=1 the potential is ##U(r) = -Gm_1m_2/r##, but the effective potential is ##U_{\rm eff}(r) = L^2/(2mr^2) + U(r) = L^2/(2mr^2) - G m_1 m_2/r##.
 
Oh ok.. but is there a proof for why should Ueff have a minima?
 
Prashant123 said:
Oh ok.. but is there a proof for why should Ueff have a minima?
This is the definition of the orbit being stationary. It means that an orbit close to circular will not go too far away from being circular (the effective total energy must be larger than the effective potential).
 

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