Is the earth only 6,000 years old?

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Dr. Hovind, an Evangelical minister, offers a $250,000 reward for anyone who can disprove his claim that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, a position widely rejected by the scientific community, which estimates the Earth's age at about 4.5 billion years. Critics argue that Hovind's challenge is structured in a way that makes it nearly impossible to win, as it requires proving a negative and relies on a specific interpretation of evolution and creation. Many participants in the discussion highlight that scientific evidence, such as carbon dating and fossil records, overwhelmingly supports an ancient Earth, but Hovind and his supporters dismiss this evidence due to their belief in a literal interpretation of the Bible. The conversation emphasizes that Hovind's challenge serves more as a political tool to bolster Young Earth Creationism than a genuine scientific inquiry. Ultimately, the discussion reflects the broader conflict between scientific understanding and certain religious beliefs regarding the origins of the Earth.
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scott_alexsk said:
Also assuming a god did create life, evolution and its proposed mechanisms would be irrelevant since no great spans of time would be needed for higher complexity organisms to form.

Yes, exactly, that was my point. Assuming a god did create life, he could have done it 10 seconds ago, and there's no need for any greater time span either.
 
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Ok first off this guy claims that man (human beings) have been here since the beginning of time. And he says all the things that are said in the bible are true.
One : the flood ok, if there was a global flood I would really like to know where all the water went. Water is practically indestructible. And if the ice caps melted and combined with all the water on the planet it still is not enough to flood the entirety of the planet. And even if there was some global flood how did all the fresh water fish survive without evolving to live in salt. O yea and try this for yourself take a gallon of salt water (ocean) and a cup of fresh water (all drinkable water) and pour them both into a bucket, you got it. Now separate them….
Second: man survival if man was here all along and they thought it so important to write about these so call medicals I wonder why nothing in the bible mentions the cataclysmic impact of the asteroid that hit the Yucatán peninsula in Mexico. The crater was 112 miles across and 3000 ft deep. That kind of impact would be felt around the world and it would most defiantly block out the sun for a long time but there is no mention of it ever happening.
Third :genetics other the closeness of man to ape there is also the fact that mammals share most basic characteristics such as 2 legs 2 arms or 4 limbs to be technical, also genitals are in-between the hind limbs, one head on top of the body and a tail yes man has a tail. Tail bone what is it for? Remnants of a prehistoric ancestor, or maybe god messed up. Just take a look at embryos of various mammals and you can see we have a common ancestor.
Finally: evolution Christians and other denominations will constantly through it in your face that evolution has never been seen in action and that how come people don’t come waling out of the woods today. Simply ignorance on their part, what don’t they understand about thousands of years to evolve. How can anyone be around to record that. If you want some proof of evolution munch on this my Chihuahua would be able to mate with a wolf hmm think about it.
People always ask so what if I believe in the bible what is the harm in having faith. Ill tell the harm in thinking that some being up in the sky is going to come a save you, is self destructive. You are setting you and those around up for failure and instead of fixing the problems yourself you look to the sky for a god or jesus and when the world is in trouble then where is your god.
 
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My proof:
God is a rational creator who would not try to deceive us
Satan had no part in the creation of the Earth (or universe)
Therefore, God must have used evolution to go from Big Bang to Homo Sapiens

Unfortunately, as many have said, religious zealots like Dr. Dino won't listen to reason, citing God, Satan, or the Bible as evidence of their point or counter-evidence of anyone else's point.
 
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Also assuming a god did create life, evolution and its proposed mechanisms would be irrelevant since no great spans of time would be needed for higher complexity organisms to form.

Well, God could still have invented some mathematical model, simulate it on his computer by starting with some simple to specify initial conditions and then let the model run until intelligent life appears.

Then God could have created the universe in the state it was 6000 years ago, or as Vanesh suggested ten seconds ago. Or perhaps not at all, if the simulation is all that is needed to give us the subjective feeling for existing. Or, it could be that we are mathematical entities, so the model doesn't need to be simulated at all for us to exist.
 
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