Is the earth only 6,000 years old?

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The discussion centers around Dr. Hovind's claim that the Earth is only 6,000 years old and his offer of $250,000 for anyone who can disprove this assertion. Participants explore the implications of this claim, the credibility of Hovind, and the scientific evidence regarding the age of the Earth, including methods like carbon dating and fossil records.

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  • Some participants express skepticism about Hovind's credibility, citing his background and questioning the legitimacy of his offer.
  • Others argue that assuming a 6,000-year-old Earth leads to numerous scientific inconsistencies that have not been adequately addressed.
  • There is a suggestion that Hovind's challenge is structured in a way that makes it nearly impossible to claim the reward, as it may rely on subjective definitions and interpretations.
  • Some participants mention that scientific methods like carbon dating and fossil records could theoretically disprove Hovind's claim, but express doubt about whether Hovind would accept such evidence.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of belief in young Earth creationism and how it may lead to dismissal of scientific evidence.
  • Participants note that Hovind's challenge may serve more as a political tool to bolster support for his views rather than a genuine scientific inquiry.

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Participants generally do not agree on the validity of Hovind's claim or the feasibility of disproving it. Multiple competing views remain, particularly regarding the interpretation of scientific evidence and the nature of belief in creationism.

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Participants highlight limitations in Hovind's challenge, including potential ambiguities in definitions and the expectation of eliminating uncertainty in scientific claims, which is not feasible.

  • #31
scott_alexsk said:
Also assuming a god did create life, evolution and its proposed mechanisms would be irrelevant since no great spans of time would be needed for higher complexity organisms to form.

Yes, exactly, that was my point. Assuming a god did create life, he could have done it 10 seconds ago, and there's no need for any greater time span either.
 
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  • #32
Ok first off this guy claims that man (human beings) have been here since the beginning of time. And he says all the things that are said in the bible are true.
One : the flood ok, if there was a global flood I would really like to know where all the water went. Water is practically indestructible. And if the ice caps melted and combined with all the water on the planet it still is not enough to flood the entirety of the planet. And even if there was some global flood how did all the fresh water fish survive without evolving to live in salt. O yea and try this for yourself take a gallon of salt water (ocean) and a cup of fresh water (all drinkable water) and pour them both into a bucket, you got it. Now separate them….
Second: man survival if man was here all along and they thought it so important to write about these so call medicals I wonder why nothing in the bible mentions the cataclysmic impact of the asteroid that hit the Yucatán peninsula in Mexico. The crater was 112 miles across and 3000 ft deep. That kind of impact would be felt around the world and it would most defiantly block out the sun for a long time but there is no mention of it ever happening.
Third :genetics other the closeness of man to ape there is also the fact that mammals share most basic characteristics such as 2 legs 2 arms or 4 limbs to be technical, also genitals are in-between the hind limbs, one head on top of the body and a tail yes man has a tail. Tail bone what is it for? Remnants of a prehistoric ancestor, or maybe god messed up. Just take a look at embryos of various mammals and you can see we have a common ancestor.
Finally: evolution Christians and other denominations will constantly through it in your face that evolution has never been seen in action and that how come people don’t come waling out of the woods today. Simply ignorance on their part, what don’t they understand about thousands of years to evolve. How can anyone be around to record that. If you want some proof of evolution munch on this my Chihuahua would be able to mate with a wolf hmm think about it.
People always ask so what if I believe in the bible what is the harm in having faith. Ill tell the harm in thinking that some being up in the sky is going to come a save you, is self destructive. You are setting you and those around up for failure and instead of fixing the problems yourself you look to the sky for a god or jesus and when the world is in trouble then where is your god.
 
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  • #33
My proof:
God is a rational creator who would not try to deceive us
Satan had no part in the creation of the Earth (or universe)
Therefore, God must have used evolution to go from Big Bang to Homo Sapiens

Unfortunately, as many have said, religious zealots like Dr. Dino won't listen to reason, citing God, Satan, or the Bible as evidence of their point or counter-evidence of anyone else's point.
 
  • #34
Also assuming a god did create life, evolution and its proposed mechanisms would be irrelevant since no great spans of time would be needed for higher complexity organisms to form.

Well, God could still have invented some mathematical model, simulate it on his computer by starting with some simple to specify initial conditions and then let the model run until intelligent life appears.

Then God could have created the universe in the state it was 6000 years ago, or as Vanesh suggested ten seconds ago. Or perhaps not at all, if the simulation is all that is needed to give us the subjective feeling for existing. Or, it could be that we are mathematical entities, so the model doesn't need to be simulated at all for us to exist.
 
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