Is the Force Described by F = A(10ai + 3xj) Conservative?

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The problem involves a force in the xy plane described by the equation F = A(10ai + 3xj), where A and a are constants. The task is to determine if this force is conservative by calculating the work done along different paths as a particle moves from an initial position to a final position.

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  • Participants discuss the concept of conservative forces and the necessity of calculating work done along different paths. There are attempts to clarify how to compute work and line integrals, with some expressing uncertainty about the integration process.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to calculating work and questioning the specifics of line integrals. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to compute work along two distinct paths, but there is no consensus on the methods to achieve this.

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Participants note that they have not yet covered line integrals in their coursework, which may impact their ability to engage fully with the problem.

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Homework Statement


A force in the xy plane is given by F = A(10ai + 3xj), where A and a are constants, F is in Newtons and x is in meters. Suppose that the force acts on a particle as it moves from an initial position x = 4m, y = 1m to a final position x = 4m, y = 4m. Show that this force is not conservative by computing the work done by the force for at least two different paths.


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W = integral of f dx


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I basically integrated and got W = A(10axi + 3/2 x^2j)
I'm not sure how to exactly calculate the work done across the paths though.

thanks.
 
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A force is non conservative if taking different routes leads to a conflict in potential between start/end points.

Try this question by calculating the work done by moving the particle directly from (4,1) to (4,4). Now move it in a different motion, no complex path is required. For example move it from (4,1) to (x2,y2) then from there to (4,4).
 
yeah I forgot how to compute the work from one point to another point.
 
Work is equivalent to the dot product of Force and Distance.
 
yeah I know you have to integrate the force vector across the displacement since it varies with displacement. I don't know how exactly you do that across the points. Do you have to do line integrals or something?
 
Yes, you have to do line integrals. From the statement of the problem, you need to choose two different paths and do a line integral along each of them.
 
thanks. how exactly do you compute the line integral again?
We didn't get up to it yet, we're only doing double integrals in multi.
 
any ideas
 

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