Is the Fourier Transform Correctly Applied in Solving This Laplace Equation?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Fourier Transform in solving a Laplace equation. Participants are examining the correctness of their transformations and the implications of boundary conditions on the solution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are sharing their attempts at applying the Fourier Transform and discussing the results of their transformations. Questions are raised about the inverse transform and the conditions under which certain terms vanish. There is exploration of the implications of boundary conditions on the form of the solution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into their reasoning and questioning the assumptions behind their transformations. Some participants have offered guidance on the necessity of certain terms in the solution, while others are exploring the implications of their findings without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are constraints related to the behavior of the solution as \(y\) approaches infinity, and the requirement for the solution to be odd in \(x\) is under discussion. The need to extend the domain of functions for convolution is also being considered.

lriuui0x0
Messages
101
Reaction score
25
Homework Statement
Solve the laplace equation ##u_{xx} + u_{yy} = 0##, with ##x \ge 0, y \ge 0##, using Fourier transform.

Subject to the boundary conditions:

$$
\begin{aligned}
u(x, 0) &= \begin{cases}1 & 0 < x < 1 \\ 0 & \text{otherwise}\end{cases} \\
u(0, y) &= \lim_{x\to\infty} u(x,y) = \lim_{y\to\infty} u(x,y) = 0
\end{aligned}
$$
Relevant Equations
Fourier transform and inverse transform
I have tried to Fourier transform in ##x## and get the result in the transformed coordinates, please check my result:

$$
\tilde{u}(k, y) = \frac{1-e^{-ik}}{ik}e^{-ky}
$$

However, I'm having some problems with the inverse transform:

$$
\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^\infty \frac{1-e^{-ik}}{ik}e^{-yk}dk
$$

Not sure how to do this integral. The solution says it's

$$
\frac{4xy}{\pi}\int_0^1 \frac{vdv}{[(x-v)^2+y^2][(x+v)^2+y^2]}
$$
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Delta2
Physics news on Phys.org
Sorry the inverse FT integral should be:

$$
\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^\infty \frac{1-e^{-ik}}{ik}e^{-yk} e^{ixk}dk
$$
 
I think you want to say that <br /> \hat u(k,y) = \hat u_0(k)e^{-|k|y}. (We need \hat u \to 0 as y \to \infty for both positive and negative k). This is a product of transforms, so when you invert it you obtain a convolution: <br /> u(x,y) = \int_{-\infty}^\infty u_0(\xi) F(x - \xi,y)\,d\xi where F is the inverse transform of e^{-|k|y}. But you also need u(0,y) = 0, which you can ensure by assuming the solution to be odd in x on (-\infty, \infty). So you need to take <br /> u_0(\xi) = -u_0(-\xi) for \xi &lt; 0.
 
Last edited:
pasmith said:
I think you want to say that <br /> \hat u(k,y) = \hat u_0(k)e^{-|k|y}. (We need \hat u \to 0 as y \to \infty for both positive and negative k). This is a product of transforms, so when you invert it you obtain a convolution: <br /> u(x,y) = \int_{-\infty}^\infty u_0(\xi) F(x - \xi,y)\,d\xi where F is the inverse transform of e^{-|k|y}. But you also need u(0,y) = 0, which you can ensure by assuming the solution to be odd in x on (-\infty, \infty). So you need to take <br /> u_0(\xi) = -u_0(-\xi) for \xi &lt; 0.
How do we get the ##e^{-|k|y}## term? The way I derived my result is:

$$
\begin{aligned}
\mathcal{F}(\frac{\partial^2u}{\partial x^2} + \frac{\partial^2u}{\partial y^2}) &= 0 \\
\frac{\partial^2\tilde{u}}{\partial y^2} -k^2 \tilde{u} &= 0 \\
\tilde{u}(k, y) &= A(k)e^{ky} + B(k)e^{-ky} \\
\end{aligned}
$$

And I was thinking ##e^{ky}## term must vanish since we require ##\lim_{y\to\infty} \tilde{u}(k,y) = 0##. However thinking about it again, this isn't necessarily true, as we can allow ##k \to -\infty##. But how did you derive the ##e^{-|k|y}## term?
 
Last edited:
lriuui0x0 said:
But how do you deal derive the ##e^{-|k|y}## term?

We need \hat{u}(k,y) \to 0 as y \to \infty for every k \in \mathbb{R}. For k &gt; 0 that means we can only use the e^{-ky} solution, for k &lt; 0 we can only use the e^{ky} solution, and for k = 0 we can only use the constant solution. Hence <br /> \begin{align*}<br /> \hat u(k,y) &amp;= \begin{cases} \hat{u}_0(k)e^{-ky} &amp; k &gt; 0 \\<br /> \hat{u}_0(0) &amp; k = 0 \\<br /> \hat{u}_0(k)e^{ky} &amp; k &lt; 0 \end{cases} \\<br /> &amp;= \hat{u}_0(k)e^{-|k|y}.\end{align*}
 
pasmith said:
I think you want to say that <br /> \hat u(k,y) = \hat u_0(k)e^{-|k|y}. (We need \hat u \to 0 as y \to \infty for both positive and negative k). This is a product of transforms, so when you invert it you obtain a convolution: <br /> u(x,y) = \int_{-\infty}^\infty u_0(\xi) F(x - \xi,y)\,d\xi where F is the inverse transform of e^{-|k|y}. But you also need u(0,y) = 0, which you can ensure by assuming the solution to be odd in x on (-\infty, \infty). So you need to take <br /> u_0(\xi) = -u_0(-\xi) for \xi &lt; 0.
How is convolution operation defined for functions only on ##\mathbf{R}^+##? Why do I need to extend the domain of ##u## to include the whole real line?
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K