Is the Fourier Transform Isometric and Linear?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the Fourier transform, specifically whether it is isometric and linear. Participants explore the implications of extending the Fourier transform from the Schwartz space to the space of moderately decreasing functions, and the conditions under which such extensions can be made.

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  • Some participants propose that the Fourier transform can be extended uniquely from the Schwartz space to the space of moderately decreasing functions while preserving isometry.
  • Questions arise regarding the definition and properties of the space of moderately decreasing functions.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of extending bounded linear mappings from dense subspaces to larger spaces, citing the uniqueness of such extensions under certain conditions.
  • There is a suggestion that the extension process relies on the concept of density and the behavior of sequences in the context of Banach spaces.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of linearity in proving the properties of the Fourier transform, with some arguing that it is crucial for establishing boundedness and continuity.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the implications of certain inequalities and how they relate to the uniqueness of extensions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the uniqueness of the extension of the Fourier transform or the necessity of linearity in the proofs. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the implications of the discussed properties.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of function spaces and the unresolved nature of certain mathematical steps related to the extension of mappings.

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let S(R) be the schwartz space, M(R) be the set of moderately decreasing functions, F be the Fourier transform

Suppose F:S(R)->S(R) is an isometry, ie is satisfies ||F(g)|| = ||g|| for every g in S(R).
How is it possible that there exists a unique extension G: M(R)->M(R) which is an isometry, ie a function G: M(R)->M(R) so that for any g in S(R) we have G(g) = F(g), and for any g in M(R) we have ||G(g)|| = ||g||.
 
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What is the space of moderately decreasing functions?

The way you do it for L2 is to extend F:S->S by density of S in L2.
 
extend it by density? what does that mean?
 
Suppose X and Y are Banach spaces, S\subset X is some subspace, and that T:S\to Y is a bounded linear mapping. There exists extensions of T, which are bounded linear mappings \overline{T}:X\to Y. The claim is that if S is dense in X, then there exists only one extension \overline{T}, and it is the unique extension of T which is unique by the density of S.

The proof starts with a remark that the inequality

<br /> \| Tx_n - Tx_k\| \leq \|T\| \|x_n - x_k\|<br />

implies that when x_1,x_2,\ldots\in S is an Cauchy sequence, then so is Tx_1, Tx_2,\ldots\in Y.
 
jostpuur said:
Suppose X and Y are Banach spaces, S\subset X is some subspace, and that T:S\to Y is a bounded linear mapping. There exists extensions of T, which are bounded linear mappings \overline{T}:X\to Y. The claim is that if S is dense in X, then there exists only one extension \overline{T}, and it is the unique extension of T which is unique by the density of S.

The proof starts with a remark that the inequality

<br /> \| Tx_n - Tx_k\| \leq \|T\| \|x_n - x_k\|<br />

implies that when x_1,x_2,\ldots\in S is an Cauchy sequence, then so is Tx_1, Tx_2,\ldots\in Y.

is there any other way to prove it without banach spaces? we've never covered that in my class and its not covered in my textbook
 
creepypasta13 said:
is there any other way to prove it without banach spaces? we've never covered that in my class and its not covered in my textbook

I was merely trying to mention the fact in a general context. Hilbert spaces are always Banach spaces, and L^2(\mathbb{R}) space is a Hilbert space, so what I said does not force anyone away from L^2-stuff.
 
you're tying to prove :"The claim is that if is dense in X, then there exists only one extension , and it is the unique extension of T which is unique by the density of S.", right?

i don't understand how the inequality you mentioned implies that the extension is unique
 
The idea is to define a new "extended" map F2 such that F2 agrees with F on S, and the way it is extended to L2 is via limits of sequences in S.

In other words, F2(s) = F(s) for all s in S, and F2(x) = limn->infty F(sn) for x not in S, where sn is some sequence in S converging to x.

There are a few things to check to make sure this is legit:
1) If 2 sequences converge to the same point x, F2(x) is the same regardless of which sequence is chosen.
2) F2 is bounded, linear.
3) F2 is the only bounded linear extension of F (uniqueness)

This entire process is known as "extending by density", and shows up all the time. It shows up so much that authors rarely go through the whole process but rather will say things like "the result follows by density".
 
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but how do you show the extension is unique? by using the inequality mentioned a few posts above?
 
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That inequality is important and highly tied up in the whole affair, but generally you would use it on the previous parts. Uniqueness is actually the easy part. Once you know that F2 is a bounded linear extension of F from a dense subset to the whole space, then you can argue as follows:

Suppose there were 2 bounded linear extensions F2 and F3. Since F2 and F3 are continuous, they are sequentially continuous. On the other hand, they must agree on S. Therefore, for any convergent sequence in S, sn->x,
F2(x) <- F2(sn) = F3(sn) -> F3(x).
The only way this is possible is if F2(x)=F3(x), since a sequence can only converge to one thing (in a metric space).

(why? If the points F2(x) and F3(x) are a nonzero distance d away from each other, then just take large enough n such that ||F2(sn) - F2(x)|| < d/2 and ||F2(sn) - F3(x)|| < d/2 and apply the triangle inequality )
 
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maze said:
The idea is to define a new "extended" map F2 such that F2 agrees with F on S, and the way it is extended to L2 is via limits of sequences in S.

In other words, F2(s) = F(s) for all s in S, and F2(x) = limn->infty F(sn) for x not in S, where sn is some sequence in S converging to x.

There are a few things to check to make sure this is legit:
1) If 2 sequences converge to the same point x, F2(x) is the same regardless of which sequence is chosen.
2) F2 is bounded, linear.
3) F2 is the only bounded linear extension of F (uniqueness)

This entire process is known as "extending by density", and shows up all the time. It shows up so much that authors rarely go through the whole process but rather will say things like "the result follows by density".

i think I'm able to prove the existence part, but i don't see how showing F2 is linear is relevant
 
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It would kind of suck if the Fourier transform wasn't linear. Half the stuff you do with Fourier transforms would go out the widow. )-:

Anyways, it just so happens that it is linear, so you might as well prove it.

EDIt: Oh also, just remembered, you need linearity for boundedness and continuity to be equivalent, so it is important for the proofs.
 

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