Is the Friction Force Determined by a Suspended Mass and Cart Movement?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a cart being pulled by a suspended mass through a pulley system. Participants are exploring the relationship between the forces acting on the cart and the suspended mass, particularly focusing on the friction force on the surface.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the role of the suspended mass as the applied force and whether the equations involving friction and normal force are being applied correctly. Questions about the necessary information to solve the problem, such as the mass of the cart, are also raised.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the need for free body diagrams and the application of Newton's laws. There is a recognition of the importance of determining acceleration before calculating the friction force, but no consensus has been reached on the exact steps to take.

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Participants note that the problem statement lacks certain information, such as the mass of the cart, which is crucial for solving the problem accurately. There is also an emphasis on understanding the dynamics of the system rather than jumping to conclusions.

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1. If a cart is being pulled from rest by over 75cm in 2s by a suspended mass of 100g attached to the cart via a rope and pulley, what is the friction of the surface?



2. My question is whether the fapp force is the suspended mass. I know I need
Ff= μFN, Fn= -(fappy+Fg) and to get acceleration I'll need d=vit+0.5at^2, is this correct so far? and is the suspended mass indeed the fapp?
 
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PhysicsAdvice said:
1. If a cart is being pulled from rest by over 75cm in 2s by a suspended mass of 100g attached to the cart via a rope and pulley, what is the friction of the surface?



2. My question is whether the fapp force is the suspended mass.
No, the suspended mass is accelerating, so the tension force applied to the cart (and acting on the suspended mass) is not the same as the weight of the suspended mass.
I know I need
Ff= μFN, Fn= -(fappy+Fg) and to get acceleration I'll need d=vit+0.5at^2, is this correct so far? and is the suspended mass indeed the fapp? [/b]
Your problem statement is missing information, such as the mass of the cart. Please present the problem as written.
 
I apologize, the mass of the cart is 75g, what would the firs step in solving this be?

if M=mass of cart and m=mass of suspended mass, could (M+m)x a + Ff= mxg work? Then solve for a since I have enough and then solve for Ff?
 
PhysicsAdvice said:
I apologize, the mass of the cart is 75g, what would the firs step in solving this be?

if M=mass of cart and m=mass of suspended mass, could (M+m)x a + Ff= mxg work?
Yes, it will work, but why?? You must draw free body diagrams of each mass and apply Newton's laws.
Then solve for a since I have enough and then solve for Ff?
You've got to determine the acceleration first based on the given information of displacement and time. Then solve for the friction force.
 

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