Is the higgs boson necessary for particles to exist.

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The discussion revolves around the significance of the Higgs boson in particle physics, exploring its role within the Standard Model, the implications of its discovery, and the nature of its existence. Participants express curiosity about why the Higgs boson is considered essential and discuss its impact on the understanding of particle mass and interactions.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the necessity of the Higgs boson for particle physics, suggesting that without it, the theory would be nonsensical.
  • Others argue that while the Higgs boson is important, many particles play crucial roles in the Standard Model, and its absence could indicate a more complex underlying theory.
  • There is a debate about the term "God particle," with some asserting it is a media exaggeration rather than a term used in scientific discourse.
  • Participants express differing views on the certainty of the Higgs boson's existence, with some stating it has been clearly observed, while others emphasize that it cannot be seen directly.
  • One participant seeks a more detailed explanation of the Higgs boson’s function and history, indicating a desire for a more accessible understanding beyond textbook definitions.
  • Another participant mentions that a complete description of the Higgs boson requires quantum field theory (QFT), suggesting that simplified explanations may not capture its complexity.
  • It is noted that Peter Higgs proposed the Higgs field, which is thought to give particles mass through their interactions with this field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the importance of the Higgs boson, its role in particle physics, and the implications of its discovery. No consensus is reached on the necessity of the Higgs boson or the interpretation of its significance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in understanding the Higgs boson without delving into quantum field theory, indicating that discussions may depend on varying levels of familiarity with complex concepts.

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why without the higgs boson, would particle physics be nonsense. why does this particle have such an important impact on particle physics. is this why it was called the god particle? its existence is unquestionably but no one had ever seen it.

I bet when they discovered it the pa's were like "professor stop packing, they discovered it exist! yay we still have jobs" just joking of course.
 
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Something like the Higgs boson has to exist for the "electroweak" part of the standard model of particle physics to make sense. It could have been different and more complicated from what we actually discovered, though. And its existence wasn't "unquestionable": Nature can always surprise us.

Calling it the "God particle" is a silly exaggeration. It plays an important role in the standard model, but it's not the single most important particle or something like that.

Not discovering the Higgs boson would have been immensely more exciting (and been much better for particle physicists' jobs) than discovering it, because it would mean that there was something different and stranger out there to discover. Some people actual talk about the current situation, where we discovered exactly what we expected and nothing else, as the "nightmare scenario" because it is so much less interesting than what could have been.
 
why does this particle have such an important impact on particle physics.
Many (or even all) particles are important for particle physics - you cannot remove them without changing the whole theory.
is this why it was called the god particle?
That word is not used in physics, it is just a media hype.
its existence is unquestionably but no one had ever seen it.
It has been observed clearly. You cannot see it with your eyes, but that is true for most of the things in the universe.
 
mfb said:
Many (or even all) particles are important for particle physics - you cannot remove them without changing the whole theory.

no doubt

That word is not used in physics, it is just a media hype.

ok
It has been observed clearly. You cannot see it with your eyes, but that is true for most of the things in the universe.

I know, that's why I make use of the word had and when they discovered. as to communicate my understanding that it had been discovered. I'm looking for a more scientific answer buddy, like what the higgs boson does exactly. I can get this information from wiki or textbooks, but I come for the service.

can you not explain this particle in your own words so I can get an understanding of its nature and history.any info would be great.
 
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An "exact" description needs quantum field theory (QFT), and then you end up here (click the images to continue there). Without QFT, you have to rely on simplified descriptions like the one yenchin linked.
 
I'm looking for a more scientific answer buddy said:
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Peter Higgs proposed what we now call the Higgs field , and hypothesized that it spreads through the universe. All particles would acquire mass by interacting with this field. This Higgs interaction predicts that we should be able to produce and detect the boson associated with it, or the Higgs boson.
http://www.sciencemediacentre.ca/smc/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=241%3Abk-higgs&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=49&lang=en
As they told you, it is thought to be what causes some particles to have mass.
 
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