Is the Kernel of Z[x] to R a Principal Ideal?

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The discussion revolves around the kernel of a homomorphism from the ring of polynomials with integer coefficients, Z[x], to the real numbers, R, specifically evaluating polynomials at the point x = 1 + sqrt(2). Participants are tasked with determining whether this kernel is a principal ideal and identifying a generator for it.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the nature of the homomorphism and its kernel, questioning the mapping of polynomial coefficients and the implications of evaluating at a specific point. Some discuss the necessity of understanding the kernel in terms of polynomials having 1 + sqrt(2) as a zero.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying their understanding of the homomorphism and kernel. Some have provided insights into the nature of polynomials that belong to the kernel, while others express confusion about the initial problem statement and the mapping process.

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Participants note the potential for misunderstanding due to the phrasing of the problem and the specific nature of polynomial coefficients in Z[x]. There is also mention of the distinction between integer coefficients and those in C[x], which may affect the nature of the roots.

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Homework Statement


Prove that the kernel of the homomorphism Z[x]->R sending x to 1+sqrt(2) is a principle ideal, and find a generator for this ideal.

Z is the integers
R is the real numbers

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I assume sending x to sqrt(2) is an example. We should first find the actual map shoudn't we? Otherwise we can't find the kernel of this map. I have tried like

1. Sending the coefficients of x to C+sqrt(x) or C(1+sqrt(2)) where C is the coefficient of x.
2. Sending the constant of the polynomial to C+1+sqrt(2) or C(1+sqrt(2)) where C is the consant of the polynomial.
3. Sending the coefficient of the greatest power in the polynomial to C+sqrt(2) or C(1+sqrt(2)) where C is the coefficient of the greatest power of the polynomial.

All 3 example maps do not form a homomorphism.
 
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Or does this homomorphism only sends polynomials in Z[x] with a single elements to 1+sqrt(2) guided by x->1+sqrt(2) so x^2->(1+sqrt(2))^2 and x^0->(1+sqrt(2))^0. 2x->2(1+sqrt(2)).
 
Z[x] is the ring of all polynomials with integer coefficients. This homomorphism essentially "evaluates" the polynomial at [itex]x= 1+ \sqrt{2}[/itex].

For example the polynomial [itex]ax^2+ bx+ c[/itex] is mapped into [itex]a(1+ \sqrt{2})^2+ b(1+ \sqrt{2})+ c[/itex]. Yes, that is a homomorphism and its kernel is the set of polynomials having [itex]1+ \sqrt{2}[/itex] as a zero. Obviously, if P(x) has [itex]1+ \sqrt{2}[/itex] as zero, then any product P(x)Q(x) has also. It should also be obvious that if a polynomial with integer coefficients has [itex]1+ \sqrt{2}[/itex] as a zero, then it must also have [itex]1- \sqrt{2}[/itex] and so has [itex](x-1-\sqrt{2})(x-1+\sqrt{2})= (x-1)^2- 2= x^2- 2x- 1[/itex] as a factor.
 
I see, that makes more sense. It means evaluate the polynomial at 1+sqrt(2). I think they should have been more clear with it as it took me 2 hours and still couldn't figure it out what the question meant until HallsofIvy came along.

Although with your last point, there are many integer coefficient polynomials with 1+sqrt2 as a zero but 1-sqrt2 not being a zero. i.e g(x)(x-(1+sqrt2)) contains many polynomials with 1+sqrt2 being a zero but very few with 1-sqrt2 also as a zero. i.e let g(x)=x-1 and many other g(x). However if the polynomial was in C[x] (which this question does not involve) then zeros do come in complex conjugates.

Looks like the hard bit of the question was working out what it's asking and working out what map it describes.
 
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No, I made a mistake in my last post. g(x)(x-(1+sqrt2)) is not in Z[x]. Now I understand why you said x^2-2x-1 must be a factor of a polynomial in order for it to lie in the kernel.
 
Sorry, but I thought the problem was very clear. What was NOT clear to me was why you were looking at things like "Sending the coefficients of x to C+sqrt(x) or C(1+sqrt(2)) where C is the coefficient of x" or "Sending the coefficient of the greatest power in the polynomial to C+sqrt(2) or C(1+sqrt(2)) ". Those couldn't possibly be homomorphisms- they don't use all of the "information" in the polynomial.
 

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