Is the Kronecker Delta Calculation in Peskin and Schroeder's Solution Correct?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the Kronecker delta in a specific solution presented in Peskin and Schroeder's text. Participants are examining the implications of the summation convention and the definitions of the indices involved, particularly in the context of color charges in quantum field theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the calculation presented in the solution, suggesting that the expression ##\frac{1}{2}\delta^{ab}\frac{1}{2}\delta^{ab}=2## should yield a different result, specifically ##9/4=2.25##, based on their interpretation of the Kronecker delta.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the specific values of indices ##a## and ##b## in the first term of the calculation, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the summation convention.
  • There is a suggestion that if a summation convention is applied, the calculation should yield ##2(\delta^{00}\delta^{00}+\delta^{11}\delta^{11}+\delta^{22}\delta^{22})##, leading to a different total, but the participant expresses confusion over arriving at the number 6 instead of 8.
  • Another participant points out that if the indices run from ##0## to ##3##, there are only four non-zero cases for ##\delta_{ab}##, suggesting the answer should be ##1##.
  • One participant reiterates their understanding that there are three colors, thus limiting the indices to ##a,b \in \{ 0,1,2\}##, which they believe should affect the summation.
  • Another participant mentions that the sum is over all generators of SU(3), noting that there are eight generators in total, which may lead to a different interpretation of the calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct interpretation of the indices and the resulting calculations. There is no consensus on the correct outcome of the Kronecker delta calculation, with multiple competing interpretations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the definitions of the indices and the implications of the summation convention. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct application of the Kronecker delta in this context.

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The reference is the final project on pages 775-777 of Peskin's and Schroeder's textbook on QFT.
And the solution from here:
https://zzxianyu.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/peskin_problems.pdf

on page 194.
My problem is on page 194 of the solution, where he writes: ##\frac{1}{2}\delta^{ab}\frac{1}{2}\delta^{ab}=2##.
I assume there are three colours and thus ##a,b \in \{ 0,1,2 \}##.
So I get: ##\delta^{ab}\delta^{ab} = \delta^{00}\delta^{11}+\delta^{11}\delta^{00}+\delta^{11}\delta^{22}+\delta^{22}\delta^{11}+\delta^{22}\delta^{00}+\delta^{00}\delta^{22}+\delta^{22}\delta^{22}+\delta^{11}\delta^{11}+\delta^{00}\delta^{00}=9##, so in the above equation in the solution shouldn't it be: ##9/4=2.25## and not ##2## as it's written in this solution?
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
##\delta^{ab}\delta^{ab} = \delta^{00}\delta^{11}+\dots ##

I can stop you there and ask what the specific values of ##a## and ##b## are in that first term?
 
PeroK said:
I can stop you there and ask what the specific values of ##a## and ##b## are in that first term?
Yes, you are quite right.
If there's a summation convention here then it should be ##2(\delta^{00}\delta^{00}+\delta^{11}\delta^{11}+\delta^{22}\delta^{22})##, the factor two is because we are counting twice.
But I still get 6 and not 8.
Where did I get it wrong?
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
Yes, you are quite right.
If there's a summation convention here then it should be ##2(\delta^{00}\delta^{00}+\delta^{11}\delta^{11}+\delta^{22}\delta^{22})##, the factor two is because we are counting twice.
But I still get 6 and not 8.
Where did I get it wrong?
How are ##a## and ##b## defined? If they run from ##0## to##3## then there are only four cases where ##\delta_{ab} \ne 0##. The answer should be ##1##.
 
PeroK said:
How are ##a## and ##b## defined? If they run from ##0## to##3## then there are only four cases where ##\delta_{ab} \ne 0##. The answer should be ##1##.
I said from what I understand we have three colours, so ##a,b\in \{ 0,1,2\}## so the sum should be from 0 to 2.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
I said from what I understand we have three colours, so ##a,b\in \{ 0,1,2\}## so the sum should be from 0 to 2.
I'm not sure how he gets ##8## from that.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
I said from what I understand we have three colours, so ##a,b\in \{ 0,1,2\}## so the sum should be from 0 to 2.
The sum is over all the generators of SU(3). There are eight of them.
 
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