Is the range of a laser beam limited by the width of its wave packet?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the characteristics of laser beams, particularly focusing on the relationship between the width of a laser's wave packet and its range. Participants explore concepts related to spectral line shapes, coherence length, and the implications of these factors on the behavior of continuous and pulsed lasers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the finite width of a Gaussian wave packet implies a limited range for the laser beam, questioning whether this range corresponds to the width of the wave packet.
  • Others clarify that while the spectral line is Gaussian, the actual realization of such a line shape in lasers can be challenging, and the wave envelope in longitudinal direction may also be Gaussian for plane waves.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the appearance of waves emitted by continuous laser sources and how their line width affects the shape of the wave packet.
  • There is a discussion about the coherence length of lasers, with some suggesting it is correlated to the line width and spatial length of the wave packet.
  • One participant notes that the longitudinal mode profiles for pulsed sources can be complex, and the temporal profile of a pulse relates to the spectral lineshape.
  • Another participant points out that in Gaussian beams, the amplitude modulation affects the longitudinal envelope, making it not exactly Gaussian when viewed at a fixed position.
  • Concerns are raised about the presence of noise in continuous laser sources, which can alter the intensity profile and create irregularities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between wave packet width and laser beam range, with no consensus reached. There are competing interpretations of how spectral line shapes and coherence length influence the behavior of laser beams.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings regarding the relationship between time and position domains, as well as the complexity of longitudinal mode profiles for different types of lasers. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific definitions of terms like coherence length and spectral line shapes.

Anton Alice
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I think I am in a misconception concerning laser beams:
Even the best lasers have a small line width. The spectral line is gauss-shaped. therefore the wave in position-pace is also a gauss-shaped wave packet, that travels with a certain group velocity. But this gauss shaped wave packet has a finite width. Doesnt that mean, that the laser beam has a finite range, which is equal to the width of the wave packet?
 
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Anton Alice said:
The spectral line is gauss-shaped.
In fact, it is difficult to realize a laser with such a line shape.
Anton Alice said:
therefore the wave in position-pace is also a gauss-shaped wave packet,
The conjugate space for frequency is time, not position. You probably intended to mean the longitudinal position coordinate, the wave envelope in longitudinal direction will also be Gaussian if the wave is of plane wave.
Anton Alice said:
Doesnt that mean, that the laser beam has a finite range, which is equal to the width of the wave packet?
Taken a snapshot of a pulsed laser, yes it has finite range in space but this pulse is actually travelling.
 
I don't understand what you mean. How does the wave emitted by a continuous laser source with a certain line-width look like?
blue_leaf77 said:
The conjugate space for frequency is time, not position. You probably intended to mean the longitudinal position coordinate, the wave envelope in longitudinal direction will also be Gaussian if the wave is of plane wave.
If the Shape of the Beam in Time domain(at some fixed position) is gaussshaped , then it should be also gauss-shaped in position domain, not? this is why I directly concluded that. But I don't quite understand yet. What is the difference between what I concluded for the shape of the wave packet, and what you said about the longitudinal coordinate?

blue_leaf77 said:
Taken a snapshot of a pulsed laser, yes it has finite range in space but this pulse is actually travelling.

How about continuous lasers? I can not imagine them to emit gauss shaped wave forms.

Why does a laser have only a finite coherence length? because of the line width, right? and the coherence length itself would be then correlated to the spatial length of the wave packet.
 
Anton Alice said:
I think I am in a misconception concerning laser beams:
Even the best lasers have a small line width. The spectral line is gauss-shaped. therefore the wave in position-pace is also a gauss-shaped wave packet, that travels with a certain group velocity. But this gauss shaped wave packet has a finite width. Doesnt that mean, that the laser beam has a finite range, which is equal to the width of the wave packet?

In the limit, spectral lineshapes for homogeneously broadened lasers are typically Lorentzian, while spectral lineshapes for inhomogeneously broadened lasers are Gaussian. In between, the lineshape is called a 'Voight profile". Longitudinal mode profiles can become complicated for pulsed sources, but you are on the right track that the temporal profile of a pulse is related to the spectral lineshape.

This does not have anything to do with the transverse field mode, which can be approximately Gaussian/Hermite/Laguerre, depending on the cavity cross-section shape.
 
Anton Alice said:
If the Shape of the Beam in Time domain(at some fixed position) is gaussshaped , then it should be also gauss-shaped in position domain, not?
Consider a Gaussian beam, in such a beam the amplitude is modulated by ##\frac{A_0}{\sqrt{1+(z/z_R)^2}}##. At least the presence of this term will make the beam envelope along the propagation axis not exactly Gaussian when you take a snapshot of the beam. Only for the case of perfect plane wave does the longitudinal envelope is similar to that in time domain.
Anton Alice said:
How does the wave emitted by a continuous laser source with a certain line-width look like?
It depends on the lineshape, but in practice there are always sources of noise which modifies the intensity profile so that it exhibits randomly jagged structures.
 

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