Is the Relativistic Doppler Shift Formula Correctly Applied in this Problem?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the relativistic Doppler shift formula in a specific problem related to astrophysics. Participants are examining whether the original problem setup and the calculations align with the expected use of the formula, particularly in the context of high velocities approaching a significant fraction of the speed of light.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are analyzing the correctness of the calculations presented in the linked PDF and comparing them to the relativistic Doppler shift formula as suggested in the GRE book. There is a focus on the implications of using a non-relativistic approximation in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing feedback on the algebraic steps taken by the original poster. There is a recognition of potential errors in the calculations, and suggestions are made to clarify the assumptions regarding units of measurement. The conversation indicates a productive exploration of the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may have been misinterpreted due to the use of different units (mph vs. km/sec) and that the original poster's calculations may not align with the expected results based on the relativistic context.

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I was just wondering if this problem is right and I'm missing something or ...
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~ryden/ast143/ps3_soln.pdf
Cuz I'm reading the GRE book and it says here to use the relativistic Doppler shift formula. So the problem in the link would need to be solved like

500/700 =√[(1-β)/(1+β)]
25/49 = (1-β)/(1+β)
24/49 = 74/49 β
β = 13/37
v = 9.7 E4

isn't that how you're supposed to do it? >.> ...
i tried doing the problem in the book using the method from the link and didn't get the right answer +.+
 
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The PDF you linked to is using a non-relativistic approximation for the Doppler shift formula--which, as your calculation shows, is actually not a very good approximation for this problem, since the speed is high enough to be an appreciable fraction of the speed of light. That's why the PDF's answer is about 12 percent lower than yours; that's the error involved in using the non-relativistic approximation for this speed.
 
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oooooh, ok, thanks :3
 
Solarmew said:
I was just wondering if this problem is right and I'm missing something or ...
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~ryden/ast143/ps3_soln.pdf
Cuz I'm reading the GRE book and it says here to use the relativistic Doppler shift formula. So the problem in the link would need to be solved like

500/700 =√[(1-β)/(1+β)]
25/49 = (1-β)/(1+β)
24/49 = 74/49 β
β = 13/37
v = 9.7 E4

isn't that how you're supposed to do it? >.> ...
i tried doing the problem in the book using the method from the link and didn't get the right answer +.+

Your fourth, and last steps are wrong. Just check your algebra for the 4th step. For the last I have no idea what you did but it is a nonsensical answer given that mph are desired. The rest is ok.

I think this should be moved to a homework forum, and have indicated such to the mentors.

[Correct answer should be about 2.17 E8 mph]
 
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PAllen said:
Just check your algebra for the 4th step.

I think he meant to write 12/37 instead of 13/37. Although 13/37 is a better number if you're using the urban dictionary. :wink:

PAllen said:
For the last I have no idea what you did but it is a nonsensical answer given that mph are desired.

Yes, but the answer makes sense if it's km/sec and beta is 12/37. That was what I assumed when I responded.
 
yes, i meant 12/37 X3 ... and also yes on km/sec :]
also I'm a she >.> ... not that it matters <.< ...
 

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