Is the rotational KE of a rigid body considered as internal energy?

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The discussion centers on the classification of rotational kinetic energy (RKE) in rigid bodies and its relationship to internal energy. Participants assert that while the total kinetic energy of a rigid body includes both translational kinetic energy and RKE, the latter does not contribute to internal energy, which is defined as the energy excluding potential energy in external fields and the kinetic energy of the center of mass. The consensus is that rigid bodies, by definition, do not possess internal energy due to their fixed particle positions, although they can exhibit RKE under certain conditions, such as friction. The conversation highlights the distinction between classical mechanics and relativistic concepts, emphasizing the need to avoid conflating the two.

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  • Understanding of classical mechanics, particularly rigid body dynamics
  • Familiarity with kinetic energy equations: KE = 1/2 mv² and RKE = 1/2 Iω²
  • Knowledge of the center of mass and its significance in motion analysis
  • Basic concepts of thermodynamics and internal energy definitions
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etotheipi said:
I think this is helpful, differentiating between distinct dynamical models. It might be best to leave it as such until I've studied continuum & fluid mechanics, since at the moment it feels like I'm missing too many pieces in the jigsaw puzzle!

I think you are conflating the model with the thing being modeled. You will always be able to find shortcomings of any model because it will have limits of validity. There is no such thing as a perfect model. The issue is whether or not the model is good enough to describe the actual behavior.
 
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