Is the total electric field of two opposite charges 0?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the total electric field generated by two charges of equal magnitude but opposite sign. Participants explore the conditions under which the electric fields from these charges might cancel each other out, and the implications of their interaction, particularly when the charges are brought into proximity or contact.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the total electric field is zero only when the two charges are located at the same point in space.
  • Others argue that the electric field at any point is the vector sum of the fields from each charge, suggesting that cancellation is not complete in general scenarios.
  • A participant mentions that the electric field can be zero at specific angles (0, 90, 180, and 270 degrees) under certain conditions, but this claim is questioned by others.
  • Some participants clarify that the presence of an opposite charge reduces the electric field but does not eliminate it entirely, describing the scenario as an electric dipole effect.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of charges coming into contact, with one participant stating that merging the charges would result in a zero electric field.
  • Concerns are raised about the definitions and assumptions used in equations, particularly regarding the distance variable "r" in the context of the charges' positions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the electric field can be zero in the presence of two opposite charges. Multiple competing views remain regarding the conditions under which cancellation occurs and the implications of charge proximity.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions of angles and positions in relation to the electric field, as well as the mathematical treatment of the electric field equations. There are unresolved questions about the specific conditions under which the electric field might be considered zero.

Blockade
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Let's say you have two particles that are the same in magnitude but have opposite charges like the equation down below:

E1 = -q*k/r^2
E2 = q*k/r^2

ETotal = q*k/r^2 + -q*k/r^2 = 0

Does this mean that the electric field of both these charges cancel out each other? Then what is the electric field if they ever come into contact since opposite attracts?
 
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Blockade said:
Does this mean that the electric field of both these charges cancel out each other?
Only if the two charges are right on top of each other. In general, the field at any point will be the vector sum of the fields from each charge.
 
Doc Al said:
Only if the two charges are right on top of each other. In general, the field at any point will be the vector sum of the fields from each charge.

So it's like the picture down below where at any point (position) in that picture the electric field = 0 just as long as those two charges are either 0, 90, 180, and 270 degrees from each other? Anything that does not make their magnitude different from one another. In that case 45 degrees, the magnitude and the Electric field will be 0 as well? As a result, the negative charge can is all to pull all the electric field that the positive charge has to give out?

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Blockade said:
So it's like the picture down below where at any point (position) in that picture the electric field = 0 just as long as those two charges are either 0, 90, 180, and 270 degrees from each other?
I don't understand what you mean by "0, 90, 180, and 270 degrees from each other". Where do you think the field is zero?
 
Blockade said:
Does this mean that the electric field of both these charges cancel out each other?
The field at a distance of one single charge will be reduced by the presence of a second, opposite charge. (An Electric Dipole).
The cancellation is never complete but the field will drop off quicker than the Inverse Square Law for a single charge. See this link.
 
Doc Al said:
I don't understand what you mean by "0, 90, 180, and 270 degrees from each other". Where do you think the field is zero?
I think that the electric field is zero everywhere within the bottom picture since they share the same axis.
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The electric field at any point is the vector sum of the fields from the two charges. See this diagram for an example:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/mulpoi.html#c2

This example is for two positive charges, not for one positive and one negative. However, if you make one of the charges negative, you simply "flip" its electric field vector around the point in question so it points in the opposite direction (directly towards the negative charge). This changes the resultant (total) electric field vector, but does not make it zero.

For your situation, two charges that are equal in magnitude but opposite in sign, there is no point where the total electric field is zero.
 
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Blockade said:
I think that the electric field is zero everywhere within the bottom picture since they share the same axis.
It is not. In fact, the red arrows indicate the direction of the electric field at each point in the diagram, and there is nowhere where it is zero.

It would be a good exercise to try calculating the field at a few points, just to see how it never comes out zero. You can do this for points on the line through the two charges with just elementary arithmetic; you'll need some trigonometry to do it for points off that line.
 
Blockade said:
I think that the electric field is zero everywhere within the bottom picture since they share the same axis.
Realize that the two charges would 'share the same axis' no matter where they are. (You'd just rotate the diagram as needed.)

Please read the posts above (by jtbell and Nugatory) to understand why the field is not zero anywhere.
 
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If the charges were the same then there would be one point where the field is zero.
 
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Blockade said:
what is the electric field if they ever come into contact
If they merge, the resulting charge and thus the field is zero. Otherwise see the other answers.
 
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Blockade said:
ETotal = q*k/r^2 + -q*k/r^2 = 0

You have to be careful when using equations. In particular, how are you defining "r?" If it's the distance from the first charge (located therefore at the origin where r=0), then you can't use the second equation unless the second charge is also at the origin.
 
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