Is there a good book on only observational evidence

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the search for resources that focus exclusively on observational evidence in physics, excluding theoretical frameworks and mathematical formulations. Participants explore the feasibility and implications of such resources, questioning the distinction between observable facts and theories.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a resource that lists observable facts without any theoretical or mathematical context, using Faraday's experiments as an example.
  • Another participant humorously notes that such resources exist but are restricted and require special permission for access.
  • A different participant questions the rationale behind seeking such a resource and challenges the definition of "observable fact" versus "theory," citing the example of the Earth's orbit around the Sun.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the existence of a book that documents observable phenomena without mentioning underlying theories, comparing it to a collection of disjointed observations lacking context.
  • Another participant suggests that educational materials often present observable facts with minimal mathematics, referencing historical documentation as a potential source.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence or utility of a resource focused solely on observable facts. There are multiple competing views regarding the necessity of theoretical context for understanding observations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the challenge of compiling observable facts into a coherent resource, noting the potential for such a collection to lack meaningful interpretation without theoretical frameworks.

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Do you know of a resource that expunges all theory and all mathematics and focuses solely on observable facts?

Example: This resource would list Faradays experiments but leave out Maxwells equations.
 
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Yes, these exist, but per decree they are confined to a special, undocumented section of the library where they may be consulted merely for the purpose of historical research, and only with written permission from the public health authorities.
 
toastercombo said:
Do you know of a resource that expunges all theory and all mathematics and focuses solely on observable facts?

Why would you want such a resource?

Also, where do you draw the line between "observable fact" and "theory"? For example, is the statement "the Earth orbits the Sun" an observable fact, or a theory?
 
toastercombo said:
Do you know of a resource that expunges all theory and all mathematics and focuses solely on observable facts?
Example: This resource would list Faradays experiments but leave out Maxwells equations.

I am aware of no such book, and would be somewhat surprised to find one - it would be sort of like finding a book that exhaustively documents the observed motions of the planets and the observed trajectory of every artillery shell that was ever fired but that never mentioned gravity, Newton's laws, and the math that we use to apply them.

If you're looking for the experiments and observations that support relativity, the FAQ at the top of this forum (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/faq-experimental-basis-of-special-relativity.229034/) lists a tiny subset of all the observations we have.
 
toastercombo said:
Do you know of a resource that expunges all theory and all mathematics and focuses solely on observable facts?

Example: This resource would list Faradays experiments but leave out Maxwells equations.

There are almost infinitely many "observable facts". How can anyone compile them into a book?

Furthermore, a collection of observable facts is useless without context, i.e. without any theory that interpret these facts. It is why Rutherford was quote as saying "All Science is either Physics or Stamp-Collecting". Your collection of observable facts are nothing more than a "stamp-collection", as series of disconnected, disjointed pieces of information. This isn't knowledge, nor are they useful.

It is why there is no such book.

Zz.
 
In school books you may find many "observable facts" with a minimum of mathematics to explain them. Or as Krylov mentioned in history documentations. 'The History of Physics' or similar titles.
 

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