Is There a Relationship Between a Vector Field's Divergence and Its Curl?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between a vector field's divergence and its curl, specifically whether a vector field B with zero divergence can be expressed as the curl of another vector field A. The conversation explores theoretical implications, domain restrictions, and examples related to this relationship.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that for a vector field B with div B = 0 everywhere, there exists a vector field A such that B = curl A, but this is contingent on the domain of definition.
  • Others argue that for vector fields defined on all of R³, the existence of such a vector field A is guaranteed, while for B defined on R³\{0}, this may not hold.
  • A participant introduces the concept of de Rham cohomology, suggesting that the existence of a vector field A such that B = curl A is related to the triviality of the second de Rham cohomology group of the domain.
  • Counterexamples are discussed, particularly a specific vector field B that demonstrates the failure of the curl relationship in certain domains.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the conditions under which a vector field B can be the curl of another vector field A, particularly in relation to contractible sets.
  • One participant acknowledges the complexity of the topic and expresses interest in the topological implications of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the relationship between divergence and curl is dependent on the domain of the vector field, but multiple competing views remain regarding the specific conditions and examples discussed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the ambiguity in defining open sets that do not contain the origin and the complexity of the proofs related to the existence of vector fields based on their curl and divergence properties.

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Is this a theorem, that for a vector field B satisfying

div B = 0 everywhere

then there is a vector field A such that B = curl A? If so, is it hard to prove? Of course, the converse is obviously true.
 
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The answer is that it depends on the domain of definition of the vector field. For vector fields defined on all of R³, it is true that there exists a vector field A such that B = curl A. If B is merely defined on R³\{0} (and cannot be extended smoothly to all of R³), there may not exist such a vector field.

You could also have asked, given that curlA=0, does there exist a function f such that A=grad(f) ?

The general setting for answering questions such as these concerning the existence of a "primitive" in some sense or another is the subject of the de Rham theory of differential forms. In this context, to ask whether every smooth vector field of vanishing divergence defined on some open subset U of R³ is equal to the curl of some other vector fields is the same as asking whether the second de Rham cohomology group of U is the trivial group: [itex]H^2_{\mbox{de Rham}}(U)=0[/itex]. Now, it is known that the de Rham cohomology groups are homotopy invariants: two homotopy equivalent spaces have isomorphic de Rham cohomology groups. In particular, R³ is homotopy equivalent to a point, which have vanishing de Rham cohomology, and so [itex]H^2_{\mbox{de Rham}}(\mathbb{R}^3)=0[/itex], which translated into the fact that for vector fields defined on all of R³ of vanishing divergence, it is true that there exists a vector field A such that B = curl A. But for R³\{0}, there are known counter-examples. One of them translates in the following way in the terms that interests you.

Let B:R³\{0}-->R³ be the vector field

[tex]B(x,y,z)=\frac{x\hat{x}+y\hat{y}+z\hat{z}}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{3/2}}=\frac{r}{|r|^3}[/tex]

Suppose that B=curl(A) for some vector field A:R³\{0}-->R³. Then, by Stoke's theorem, we would have

[tex]\int_{S^2}B\cdot\hat{r}dA=\int_{S^2}\mbox{curl}(A)\cdot\hat{r}dA=\int_{\partial S^2}A\cdot dl = 0[/tex]

(because the sphere has no boundary: [itex]\partial S^2=\emptyset[/itex]). But, on the other hand, a direct calculation using spherical coordinates gives

[tex]\int_{S^2}B\cdot\hat{r}dA=\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\pi}\sin(\phi)d\phi d\theta = 4\pi[/tex]

This is a contradiction that shows that B is not the curl of any vector field A.
 
Thank you, quasar987. I didn't know this result had such a deep connection with the topology of the domain of B. deRham cohomology sounds a little over my head for right now, but it is cool to learn that it comes into play here. And you chose a great counterexample. The divergence of r/|r|3 is a commonly used representation of the delta function for 3-space in electrostatics and other places.

Just to make sure I understand right, it would be possible to find a vector field A of which B=r/|r|3 is the curl if we restrict B's domain to some open subset U of R3 that does not contain the origin, since a closed surface in any such subset can be shrinked to a point without going outside U. Is this right?
 
It is a bit ambiguous to say "an open set that does not contain the origin", but your statement

it would be possible to find a vector field A of which B=r/|r|3 is the curl if we restrict B's domain to some open subset U of R3 that does not contain the origin

is correct if by "an open set that does not contain the origin" you mean an open set which is contained in a contractible set not containing the origin.

For instance, if you restrict the domain to the open "spherical shell" S define by 1<r<2 around the origin, then B still isn't the curl of any A. But if you restrict to the open "spherical shell" S around (3,0,0), then B is the curl of some A, because S is contained in the ball of radius 2 centered at (3,0,0) which is contractible.
 
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Ah yes. Thanks for that clarification. I had the right mental picture, but what I wrote was wrong.

In the meantime I searched the scriptures* and found that in Book II, chapter 12, verse 16, a way is given for constructing a vector field from its curl. This provides a limited proof, namely that a solenoidal vector field defined on some open interval in R3 is the curl of a some vector field in that region. The Author mentions the much stronger result you gave about contractible open sets, but said the proof is "difficult".

Thanks for the help!



* Tom Apostol's Calculus[/Size]
 

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