Is there a relationship between the Higgs boson and gravity?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Higgs boson and gravity, particularly focusing on the nature of mass, including inertial and gravitational mass, and the implications of the Higgs mechanism in this context. Participants explore theoretical aspects, definitions, and the role of the Higgs boson in mass generation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the Higgs boson is responsible for approximately 1% of the mass of everyday objects, while the remaining 99% is attributed to binding energy.
  • Others question the relationship between the Higgs boson and gravity, suggesting that there is no special relation between them.
  • There are inquiries about whether the Higgs boson exerts gravity and if it is responsible for all inertial mass.
  • Some participants clarify that gravitational and inertial mass are nearly equivalent in general relativity, but the Standard Model does not incorporate gravity.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of increasing speed on gravitational mass, with references to the equivalence principle and the complexities of general relativity compared to special relativity.
  • Confusion arises regarding the mass of the Higgs boson, with some participants mistakenly referring to it as massless.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the Higgs boson and gravity, with no consensus reached on whether the Higgs boson has a significant role in gravitational mass or if it solely contributes to inertial mass. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of mass in the context of speed and gravity.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of mass, the assumptions about the Higgs mechanism, and the complexities involved in integrating gravity with the Standard Model. Some statements about the Higgs boson and its properties are challenged, indicating a lack of clarity in understanding its role.

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I know that the Higgs boson gives particles their mass. I know that there are two kinds of mass: inertial mass and gravitational mass. I know that the Higgs boson gives the inertial mass, but is there a relationship between it and gravity? If so, what is that relationship? As far as I know, physicists are looking for gravitons to explain gravity.

If this question has been asked before, please give me the links, because I could not find them.
 
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The Higgs boson is responsible for ~1% of the mass of all everyday objects, the other 99% are binding energy. No, Higgs and gravity have no special relation.

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mfb said:
The Higgs boson is responsible for ~1% of the mass of all everyday objects, the other 99% are binding energy. No, Higgs and gravity have no special relation.
What do you mean by 1% of the mass?
1% of the gravitational mass?
Does the Higgs boson exert gravity?
Isn't the Higgs boson responsible for all the inertial mass?
 
Xtyn said:
What do you mean by 1% of the mass?
Very few percent of the matter in the universe,is the matter we know,namely hadronic matter.I guess mfb means this
Xtyn said:
1% of the gravitational mass?
Gravitational and inertial mass are very very very near and in GR are considered to be equal
But here we mean inertial mass because SM excludes gravity
Xtyn said:
Does the Higgs boson exert gravity?
Higgs boson is massless
And SM excludes gravity
Xtyn said:
Isn't the Higgs boson responsible for all the inertial mass?
You mean the other 99%?
Higgs mechanism is explained to give W and Z bosons and fermions their mass
But those stuff are not made of fermions.
Also,those are the things that we don't completely know,and all theories explaining them,are not fully proved and accepted.
 
Shyan said:
Very few percent of the matter in the universe,is the matter we know,namely hadronic matter.I guess mfb means this
No, I mean the composition of protons and neutrons: The quark masses account for ~1% of their mass, the other 99% is binding energy.
This is true both for inertial and gravitational mass, as they are equivalent (exact in general relativity, and no experiment found a deviation up to now).

Higgs boson is massless
This Higgs boson is not massless.
 
mfb said:
This Higgs boson is not massless.
Oohh...sorry...I just was studying about graviton and also I'm not very good now so I mixed them up otherwise how someone can forget about the mass range things in the possible higgs discovery news?!
 
mfb said:
No, I mean the composition of protons and neutrons: The quark masses account for ~1% of their mass, the other 99% is binding energy.
I see.
mfb said:
This is true both for inertial and gravitational mass, as they are equivalent (exact in general relativity, and no experiment found a deviation up to now).
If inertial and gravitational mass are equivalent, does this mean that increasing speed for a body also increases its gravitational mass? I know about the increase of inertial mass with speed, for a body, and I know about the time dilation and decreasing length, but I'm curious about mass.
 
Xtyn said:
If inertial and gravitational mass are equivalent, does this mean that increasing speed for a body also increases its gravitational mass? I know about the increase of inertial mass with speed, for a body, and I know about the time dilation and decreasing length, but I'm curious about mass.
The equivalence principle is part of GR not SR
In SR we're talking about flat space-time,which means space-time without gravity
So it only means inertial mass
The extension of SR for including gravity,is not as easy as answering the question that whether gravitational mass also increases or not!It needs sth as complicated as GR
Also the increase of mass in SR is so mysterious that I think physicists tend to avoid using it directly and use energy instead
 

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