Is there a Switch that can Withstand a Very High Current?

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The discussion revolves around the search for a compact electronic component that can function as a switch capable of withstanding large currents from a series of capacitors connected in parallel, with a total voltage exceeding 600V. The conversation touches on various aspects of switch design, including specifications, safety considerations, and practical applications.

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  • Some participants inquire about the definition of "compact" and the type of switch required, whether mechanical or electrical.
  • One participant suggests that a high current 600VDC capacitor discharge might typically be managed with a big SCR, while acknowledging that there are many other options available.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of providing more specific details about the application, such as total capacitance, current flow duration, and switching requirements.
  • A participant mentions their experience with a DPDT knife switch that handled about 6 kA, noting the physical size of the switch and its operational limitations.
  • Several participants express skepticism about the feasibility of the proposed application, suggesting that the original poster may not fully understand the complexities involved.
  • Humorous off-topic comments about using large capacitor banks for experiments and the portrayal of lasers in media are made, indicating a lighter side to the discussion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach or component for the switching application. Multiple competing views and uncertainties about the requirements and feasibility remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Participants highlight the need for more specific information regarding the application, including the definitions of "large current" and the operational context of the switch. There are also references to safety concerns and the complexity of engineering design in high voltage scenarios.

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Is there any compact electronic component used to make a switch that can withstand large currents from a series of capacitors connected in parallel with a total voltage of over 600V?
 
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leVanw said:
Is there any compact electronic component used to make a switch that can withstand large currents from a series of capacitors connected in parallel with a total voltage of over 600V?
How "compact" is compact? What kind of switch -- thrown mechanically or electrically?

Have you looked at contactors yet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contactor
 
OK, yes. But, this may be the worst component specification ever. We don't know what you actually need.

But I'll guess: A high current 600VDC capacitor discharge is likely to be done with a big SCR. But there are many other choices.

Note: Real engineering design skill will be require here. You are perilously close to my standard "if you have to ask, you shouldn't do it" answer. But then, you haven't even really asked, more like you put us on notice that a switching application will be specified sometime.
 
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BTW, you get bonus points for showing us an equivalent circuit schematic. Nothing too fancy, just sketch it by hand and post a picture.
 
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leVanw said:
switch that can withstand large currents
You might also tell us how large is "large".

You want large current, but specified voltage. Like @DaveE and his rule of thumb, I have to wonder if maybe you shouldn't be doing whatever you are planning.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
I have to wonder if maybe you shouldn't be doing whatever you are planning.
Oh lighten up you guys, geeze. We've all used large capacitor banks for laser fun at uni...

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https://www.tfiny.org/blog/detail/real_genius_our_favorite_science_films
 
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leVanw said:
Is there any compact electronic component used to make a switch that can withstand large currents from a series of capacitors connected in parallel with a total voltage of over 600V?
Yes there is.
There are many possible solutions.
What is the total capacitance ?

Why are you doing this?
What will the current flow through when the switch turns on?
For how much time will the current need to flow?
When will the switch be required to turn off.
 
I actually worked with a DPDT knife switch that carried about 6 kA. It lived in a big metal box, maybe 1 meter on a side. I asked if I could be there the next time they reversed it. The reply was "Can't. Fused."

Um...that does not mean they put a fuse on it.
 
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berkeman said:
Oh lighten up you guys, geeze. We've all used large capacitor banks for laser fun at uni...

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https://www.tfiny.org/blog/detail/real_genius_our_favorite_science_films
Some of us got paid* to do it too! This one had a flashlamp pumped YAG with two PFNs at 1KVDC, 1KApk, 45J, 10Hz

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*Disclaimer: It's not as fun as it looks in the movies, that's why they have to pay you. It also took a damned site longer than asking about how to do it on social media.
 
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berkeman said:
Oh lighten up you guys, geeze. We've all used large capacitor banks for laser fun at uni...

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https://www.tfiny.org/blog/detail/real_genius_our_favorite_science_films
OK, off topic, but I can't resist: Anytime you see a "laser beam" going through space like this picture, it's 100% fake, or perhaps you have a trash can fire or fog in your room (in which case you should turn it off and go home). That's not what lasers look like IRL.
 
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DaveE said:
OK, off topic, but I can't resist: Anytime you see a "laser beam" going through space like this picture, it's 100% fake, or perhaps you have a trash can fire or fog in your room (in which case you should turn it off and go home). That's not what lasers look like IRL.
That‘s why, in films, they call it a:
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DaveE said:
or perhaps you have a trash can fire or fog in your room
Well, back in the day, the smoke in the laser lab wasn't from a trash can fire... :wink:
 
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And then there is this old joke:

Two engineers were in the development lab arguing over a complex optical setup. They couldn't agree where the beam waist was.

The technician that built the apparatus stood by and listened for some minutes.
Eventually he walked over, blew some cigarette smoke at the beam, and walked away.

Sheepskin ≠ Common Sense.
 
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Standard DTTAH warning.

 
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This circuit breaker finder just popped up on reddit. Works every time. Amperage guaranteed high enough.

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nsaspook said:
Standard DTTAH warning.


That chap is, I believe, a high voltage safety consultant for govt and industry. And mad scientist.

Clever people doing silly things make the best videos.
 

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