Is there an easier way to find this limit rigorously?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of a fraction involving square roots and cube roots as \( n \) approaches infinity. The specific limit to be shown is \( \lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \left( \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \right) } =0 \), with the condition that \( n > -c \). The problem is situated within the context of calculus and limits.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of the Sandwich theorem as a method for proving the limit, with one participant expressing concern about the complexity of their approach and seeking validation of their logic. Others suggest an alternative method of dividing both the numerator and denominator by appropriate powers of \( n \) to simplify the limit evaluation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to approach the limit. Some have suggested that dividing by powers of \( n \) could simplify the problem, while others have pointed out potential flaws in the logic of the Sandwich theorem application. There is no explicit consensus on the best method yet, but various lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants are considering constraints such as the conditions under which the limit is evaluated and the assumptions related to the parameters \( a, b, c, \) and \( d \). The original poster is particularly focused on ensuring their method is logically sound while exploring alternatives.

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Homework Statement


Show that ##\lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \left( \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \right) } =0,\quad n>-c ##

Homework Equations


Sandwich theorem

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, So I know my method is extremely long, I'm just wandering if 1) It is correct and 2)If there is any better way than this.

##If\quad n>\frac { -b }{ a } And\quad n>{ d }^{ 2 }-c\\ \Longrightarrow \quad 0\quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \le \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt { { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } <\frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt { { n }^{ 2 } } } =\frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ n } \\ \\ <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| \sqrt { n+c } }{ n } =\frac { (1+\left| d \right| )(\sqrt { n+c } ) }{ n } <\frac { (1+\left| d \right| )(\sqrt { n+n } ) }{ n } ,\quad for\quad n>\left| c \right| =\frac { \sqrt { 2 } (1+\left| d \right| ) }{ \sqrt { n } } \\ \therefore \quad for\quad n>max\left\{ \frac { -b }{ a } ,\left| c \right| ,{ d }^{ 2 }-c \right\} \quad \Longrightarrow \quad 0\quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { 2 } (1+\left| d \right| ) }{ \sqrt { n } } \\ \because \quad \lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \left( \frac { \sqrt { 2 } (1+\left| d \right| ) }{ \sqrt { n } } \right) } =0\quad Then\quad by\quad the\quad sandwitch\quad theorem\quad \lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \left( \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \right) } =0##

Thanks in advance
 
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Divide both numerator and denominator by the same right power of n, and you can take easy limits everywhere.
 
mfb said:
Divide both numerator and denominator by the same right power of n, and you can take easy limits everywhere.
Thanks. I was wandering though, is my method ok or does it have any flaw in the logic? I am just trying to exercise with the sandwich theorem so I just want to make sure the steps are moving logically. And dividing the numerator and denominator by n^(2/3) would do the trick right?
 
FaroukYasser said:
And dividing the numerator and denominator by n^(2/3) would do the trick right?
Yes.
FaroukYasser said:
is my method ok or does it have any flaw in the logic?
That step does not work, you increase the denominator (in general), so you reduce the fraction when going from the left to the right:
$$\frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt { { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } }$$
There is a long way, but it is complicated.
 
FaroukYasser said:

Homework Statement


Show that ##\lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \left( \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \right) } =0,\quad n>-c ##

Homework Equations


Sandwich theorem

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, So I know my method is extremely long, I'm just wandering if 1) It is correct and 2)If there is any better way than this.

##If\quad n>\frac { -b }{ a } And\quad n>{ d }^{ 2 }-c\\ \Longrightarrow \quad 0\quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \le \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt { { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } <\frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ \sqrt { { n }^{ 2 } } } =\frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| }{ n } \\ \\ <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +\left| d \right| \sqrt { n+c } }{ n } =\frac { (1+\left| d \right| )(\sqrt { n+c } ) }{ n } <\frac { (1+\left| d \right| )(\sqrt { n+n } ) }{ n } ,\quad for\quad n>\left| c \right| =\frac { \sqrt { 2 } (1+\left| d \right| ) }{ \sqrt { n } } \\ \therefore \quad for\quad n>max\left\{ \frac { -b }{ a } ,\left| c \right| ,{ d }^{ 2 }-c \right\} \quad \Longrightarrow \quad 0\quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \quad <\quad \frac { \sqrt { 2 } (1+\left| d \right| ) }{ \sqrt { n } } \\ \because \quad \lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \left( \frac { \sqrt { 2 } (1+\left| d \right| ) }{ \sqrt { n } } \right) } =0\quad Then\quad by\quad the\quad sandwitch\quad theorem\quad \lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \left( \frac { \sqrt { n+c } +d }{ \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { n }^{ 2 }+an+b } } \right) } =0##

Thanks in advance

There is an easier way: write the numerator as
\text{numerator} = \sqrt{n+c} + d = \sqrt{n} \left( \left(1 + \frac{c}{n} \right)^{1/2} + \frac{d}{\sqrt{n}} \right)
and the denominator as
\text{denominator} = \sqrt[3]{n^2 + an + b} = n^{2/3} \left( 1 + \frac{a}{n} + \frac{b}{n^2} \right)^{1/3}
If you really insist on using the sandwich theorem you could start by finding simple upper and lower bounds on ##(1 + x)^{1/2}## and ##(1+x)^{1/3}## for small ##|x|##. However, avoiding the sandwich theorem altogether seems much simpler.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
There is an easier way: write the numerator as
\text{numerator} = \sqrt{n+c} + d = \sqrt{n} \left( \left(1 + \frac{c}{n} \right)^{1/2} + \frac{d}{\sqrt{n}} \right)
and the denominator as
\text{denominator} = \sqrt[3]{n^2 + an + b} = n^{2/3} \left( 1 + \frac{a}{n} + \frac{b}{n^2} \right)^{1/3}
If you really insist on using the sandwich theorem you could start by finding simple upper and lower bounds on ##(1 + x)^{1/2}## and ##(1+x)^{1/3}## for small ##|x|##. However, avoiding the sandwich theorem altogether seems much simpler.
Thanks a lot!
 

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