Is this the right way to analyze whether the series converges or not?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of a series expressed as 3 - 1 + (1/3) - (1/9) + (1/27) - ..., with participants analyzing its structure and attempting to identify its common ratio and sum.

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  • Participants explore the identification of the series as geometric, questioning the correct formulation of the common ratio and the implications for convergence. There are discussions about the formula for the sum of a geometric series and the conditions for convergence based on the common ratio.

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Some participants have provided guidance on recognizing the series as geometric and the importance of the first term. Others are questioning their understanding of the common ratio and its implications for convergence, with various interpretations being explored.

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There is a focus on the properties of alternating series and the nature of the common ratio in relation to the signs of the terms. Participants are also considering the implications of the first term on the overall sum.

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1. series: 3 - 1 + (1/3) - (1/9) + (1/27) - ...


2. Since it looks like the denominator just gets multiplied by 3 each time (excluding the first 3),
would I say that the equation is:

3 - (1/(3n)) ?

And then I would say that the (1/(3n)) is my r?

1/(1 - (1/3)) = 3/2

So that means it converges to 3/2? Is that right...? :/

Thanks so much for the help! :D
 
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Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
1. series: 3 - 1 + (1/3) - (1/9) + (1/27) - ...2. Since it looks like the denominator just gets multiplied by 3 each time (excluding the first 3),
would I say that the equation is:

3 - (1/(3n)) ?

And then I would say that the (1/(3n)) is my r?

1/(1 - (1/3)) = 3/2

So that means it converges to 3/2? Is that right...? :/

Thanks so much for the help! :D

There are many tests for series convergence. However, you don't need them here, because you should be able to recognise that this is a geometric series, with first term ##3## and common ratio ##r = -\frac{1}{3}##. Every geometric series with ##|r|<1## converges. This is an immediate consequence of the ratio test for convergence.

Can you see this? Divide each term by the one before and verify that the ratio is constant.

Do you know the formula for the sum of a geometric series?
 
Okay, so I need to include the - and say that r= -1/3.

Is my method incorrect for finding the r, though?

1/(1 - (-1/3)) = 3/4

So does it converge to 3/4?

Yeah, I'll also have to remember that if |r|<1, it converges.
 
Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
Okay, so I need to include the - and say that r= -1/3.

Is my method incorrect for finding the r, though?

1/(1 - (-1/3)) = 3/4

So does it converge to 3/4?

Yeah, I'll also have to remember that if |r|<1, it converges.

Don't forget the first term is NOT 1. It's 3.

So the sum should be ##\displaystyle \frac{3}{1 - (-\frac{1}{3})} = \frac{9}{4}##
 
Oh, right! a is the first term- and that's 3!

Thanks so much for telling me! :)
 
Okay, now I'm wondering- whenever you have an alternating positive and negative series, will the r always be negative?

In our situation, the equation was: 3 - (1/3n)

Will it always be minus there when it's an alternating + and - series?

Will it ever be: 3 + (1/3n)?

Thanks! :)
 
Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
Okay, now I'm wondering- whenever you have an alternating positive and negative series, will the r always be negative?

In our situation, the equation was: 3 - (1/3n)

Will it always be minus there when it's an alternating + and - series?

Will it ever be: 3 + (1/3n)?
r represents the common ratio in a geometric series. If the terms in this series alternate in sign, then r necessarily is negative.
 

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