Is u Algebraic over Extension Field E?

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The discussion centers on proving that if F = k(u) where u is transcendental over the field k, and E is a field extension of k, then u is algebraic over E. Participants emphasize that E must contain an element α not in k, which can be expressed in terms of u. The proof hinges on the properties of irreducible polynomials and the linear independence of elements spanning E. Ultimately, it is established that while E does not need to contain u directly, it must include elements that can be expressed using u.

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if F=k(u), where u is transcendental over the field k. If E is a field such that E is an extension of K and F is an extension of E, then show that u is algebraic over E

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i''m having trouble starting this proof, any ideas? any help would be appreciated
 
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Well, if E is a field strictly bigger than k, then it must contain some \alpha not in k. By assumption, \alpha \in F. As a vector space, F is infinite-dimensional over k, but it does have a very convenient basis. Expand \alpha in this basis (noting that in this context "basis" means "Hamel basis," so infinite linear combinations are not allowed). This should give you an interesting relation between u and \alpha. Do you see why this solves the problem?
 
I think I must prove this using the idea of irreducible(minimal) polynomials, and algebraic elements
 
but I think the interesting connection is that they are linearly independent and span E, making E contain u?
 
I think I must prove this using the idea of irreducible(minimal) polynomials, and algebraic elements

The problem is much more straightforward than that. Don't think too hard. :P

Actually, E doesn't have to contain u. If it did, then it would necessarily also contain F = k(u) (since k(u) is the smallest field containing both k and u). However, it does have to contain something which is not in k, and that something can be expanded in powers of u. Think a little about this, and you'll realize it's exactly what you want.
 

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