Prove that an element is algebraic over a field extension

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The discussion revolves around a field extension F|K, specifically focusing on the algebraic and transcendental nature of elements within that extension. The original poster attempts to prove that if an element v is algebraic over K(u) and transcendental over K, then u must be algebraic over K(v).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the algebraic and transcendental properties of elements in the field extension. The original poster considers using the properties of field isomorphisms and quotient fields to establish the necessary relationships. There is also a focus on the implications of finite extensions and the nature of the degrees involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints regarding the finiteness of the extension K(u,v) over K(u), and the original poster is exploring the implications of these hints. There is a question raised about the validity of a conclusion drawn regarding u being algebraic over K(v), indicating that the discussion is still ongoing and interpretations are being examined.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves the complexities of field extensions, particularly the interplay between algebraic and transcendental elements, and the implications of these properties on the structure of the fields involved. There is an emphasis on ensuring that assumptions are critically evaluated.

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Homework Statement


Let F|K be a field extension. If v e F is algebraic over K(u) for some u e F and v is transcendental over K, then u is algebraic over K(v).

Homework Equations


v transcendental over K implies K(v) iso to K(x).
Know also that there exists f e K(u)[x] with f(v) = 0.

The Attempt at a Solution


Want to show that there exists h e K(v)[x] with h(u) = 0.
I'm trying to find this directly since I don't see a contrapositive proof working out. I feel like I should use v alg|K(u) to get that [itex]K(u)(v) \cong K(u)[x]/(f)[/itex] though I'm not sure how to get to that h in K(v)[x]. Somehow pass to that quotient field and show that u is a root of some remainder polynomial of f?
 
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Hint: K(u,v) is finite over K(u).
 
Thanks for the help, morphism.

So then I have [K(u,v):K] = [K(u,v):K(v)][K(v):K] = [K(u,v):K(u)][K(u):K] = n[K(u):K]. Since v trans|K, [K(v):K] is inf, and by equality [K(u):K] must be inf. But this means that u is trans|K, so there is an isomorphism from K(u) → K(v) mapping u → v. But this implies u is alg|K(v). Is that right, or did I get off track somewhere?
 
My only objection is to the sentence "But this implies u is alg|K(v)."

How did you arrive at this conclusion?
 

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