Is u(t) a unit vector of f(x,y)?

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The discussion revolves around verifying a mathematical identity involving partial derivatives of two functions, f(x,y) and g(x,y), specifically focusing on the expression d(fg)/dx = g(x,y) df/dx + f(x,y) dg/dx. Participants are exploring the correct computation of partial derivatives and the implications of treating variables as constants during differentiation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to compute the partial derivatives of the functions f and g with respect to x and y, while questioning the correctness of their results. There are requests for clarification on the verification process of the given identity.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting the multiplication of the functions and differentiation, while others have pointed out misunderstandings in the computation of partial derivatives. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the differentiation process and the verification of the identity.

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There is an indication that some participants are struggling with the concept of treating one variable as constant while differentiating with respect to another, and there is a mention of a separate question regarding the unit vector u(t) in relation to a different function.

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Homework Statement


f(x,y)=2Sin x Cos y
g(x,y) = 2Cos x Sin y
verify that d(fg)/dx = g(x,y) df/dx + f(x,y) dg/dx


The Attempt at a Solution


first of all I worked out the partials derivatives in respective to x and y, for both functions
df/dx = 2Cos x (but I've a gut feeling that it should be 2Sin x * Cos x)
df/dy = -Sin y (but I've a gut feeling that it should be Cos y * -Sin y)
dg/dx=-2Sin x (but I've a gut feeling that it should be 2Cos x * -Sin x)
dg/dy=Cos y (but I've a gut feeling that it should be Sin y * Cos y)

but I don't get how to verify d(fg)/dx = g(x,y) df/dx + f(x,y) dg/dx
can someone walk me through what does the question is asking about?

Thanks
 
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Just do what the problem asks you.

a) Multiply f and g toghether as they are, then derive for x.

b) Then compute g multiplied by df/dx plus f multiplied by dg/dx

Check if a) and b) are the same.
 
Philip Wong said:

Homework Statement


f(x,y)=2Sin x Cos y
g(x,y) = 2Cos x Sin y
verify that d(fg)/dx = g(x,y) df/dx + f(x,y) dg/dx


The Attempt at a Solution


first of all I worked out the partials derivatives in respective to x and y, for both functions
df/dx = 2Cos x (but I've a gut feeling that it should be 2Sin x * Cos x)
Neither of those is correct. The derivative of 2A Sin x, where A is a constant, is 2A Cos x. Since in taking a partial derivative, you treat the other variable as a constant, the partial derivative of 2 Sin x Cos y is 2 Cos x Cos y.

df/dy = -Sin y (but I've a gut feeling that it should be Cos y * -Sin y)
dg/dx=-2Sin x (but I've a gut feeling that it should be 2Cos x * -Sin x)
dg/dy=Cos y (but I've a gut feeling that it should be Sin y * Cos y)
Same applies to each of those. (But you don't need the derivatives with respect to y for this problem.)

but I don't get how to verify d(fg)/dx = g(x,y) df/dx + f(x,y) dg/dx
can someone walk me through what does the question is asking about?

Thanks[/QUOTE]
fg= 4 Sin x Cos x Sin y Cos y. The left side of your equation is the derivative of that with respect to x.
 
You're not doing the partial derivatives correctly. When I take the partial derivative with respect to x, I treat y like a constant. So you should treat the cos(y) term just like you treat the 2. So the partial of {2 sin(x) cos(y)) with respect to x is 2 cos(x) cos(y), not 2 cos(x).
 
phyzguy said:
You're not doing the partial derivatives correctly. When I take the partial derivative with respect to x, I treat y like a constant. So you should treat the cos(y) term just like you treat the 2. So the partial of {2 sin(x) cos(y)) with respect to x is 2 cos(x) cos(y), not 2 cos(x).

HallsofIvy said:
Neither of those is correct. The derivative of 2A Sin x, where A is a constant, is 2A Cos x. Since in taking a partial derivative, you treat the other variable as a constant, the partial derivative of 2 Sin x Cos y is 2 Cos x Cos y.


Same applies to each of those. (But you don't need the derivatives with respect to y for this problem.)

but I don't get how to verify d(fg)/dx = g(x,y) df/dx + f(x,y) dg/dx
can someone walk me through what does the question is asking about?

Thanks
fg= 4 Sin x Cos x Sin y Cos y. The left side of your equation is the derivative of that with respect to x.[/QUOTE]

oh right thank you very much! I think I need more practice on derivatives though.
another question, say I have the following function
f(x,y)=x2+y2-xy
I need to show that u(t)=(cos t; sin t) is a unit vector

can someone please tell me what steps I need to take to show u(t) is a unit vector of that given function?

thanks again
 

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