Is Your Wave Packet Momentum Wave Function Correctly Normalized?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around normalizing a momentum-space wave function for a wave packet, specifically defined as A(p)=C for 0 and , and subsequently determining the standard deviation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the normalization process and the correct form of integrals for expectation values. There is uncertainty regarding the inclusion of Planck's constant in the integrals and the implications of the results obtained for the standard deviation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided corrections to the integral forms used for normalization and expectation values. There is ongoing clarification about the role of Planck's constant in the calculations, and while some values have been computed, there remains a focus on ensuring the correctness of the approach and understanding the implications of the results.

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Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions and calculations involved in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of wave functions and their properties. There is mention of textbook guidance that may influence the normalization constant and the interpretation of results.

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Homework Statement



A wave packet is described by the momentum-space wave function A(p)=C when 0<p<p0, and A(p)=0 for all other values of p. Here C is a constant.

i) Normalize this wave function by solving for C in terms of p0.

ii) Calculate the expectation values <p> and <p2>. From these compute the standard deviation in terms of p0.

Homework Equations


For normalization: h(integral from 0 to p0)A*(p)dp=1, h being Planck's constant.
<p>=h(integral from 0 to p0)pA*(p)dp
<p2>=h(integral from 0 to p0)p2A*(p)dp
(I am not entirely sure if this equation for <p2> is correct, it may be <p2>=h(integral from 0 to p0)p2A*(p)A(p)dp)
standard deviation=<p2> - <p>2

The Attempt at a Solution



i) When I normalized the wave function from 0 to p0, I got C=1/sqrt(h*p0).

ii) This is the part I'm struggling with. Typically <p> would be equal to zero when integrated from -infinity to +infinity, but this is from 0 to p0. Doing this I am getting <p>=p0.
For <p2> I am integrating from 0 to p0 and getting <p2>=(1/3)p02.
One of these values (or both) can't be correct because when I try to calculate the standard deviation=<p2> - <p>2 = (1/3)p02 - p02= -(2/3)p02. I'm pretty sure standard deviations can't be negative. So the part of the question I really can't figure out is what I'm doing wrong when I try to find the expectation values.
 
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Your integrals are all wrong. For normalization, you want

\int_0^{p_0} A^*(p)A(p)\,dp = 1

Similarly, the expectation values are

\langle p \rangle = \int_0^{p_0} A^*(p)pA(p)\,dp

and

\langle p^2 \rangle = \int_0^{p_0} A^*(p)p^2A(p)\,dp
 
Okay. So using those integrals I'm getting:

C=1/sqrt(hp0)

<p>=p0/2

<p2>=p02/3

stdev=(1/12)p02

Also, am I right in using h in front of all of the integrals for this problem?
 
knawd said:
Okay. So using those integrals I'm getting:

C=1/sqrt(hp0)

<p>=p0/2

<p2>=p02/3

stdev=(1/12)p02
The last quantity is the variance, not the standard deviation.

Also, am I right in using h in front of all of the integrals for this problem?
No. Why do you keep putting it there?
 
So the standard deviation is sqrt(<p2>-<p>2), which equals p0/sqrt(12)?

My textbook says to put 2*pi*hbar (=h) in front of the integrals, I wasn't sure if that had something to do with me getting strange answers though.
 
mnoir said:
So the standard deviation is sqrt(<p2>-<p>2), which equals p0/sqrt(12)?
Yup.
My textbook says to put 2*pi*hbar (=h) in front of the integrals, I wasn't sure if that had something to do with me getting strange answers though.
It would affect the normalization constant but would cancel out of the other integrals, leaving your answers for the expectation values the same.
 
Alright. Thank you for clearing things up for me.
 

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