Is Z[sqrt2] defined as {a+b(sqrt2)|a,b in Z}?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of the set Z[sqrt(2)] and whether it can be expressed as {a+b(sqrt(2))|a,b in Z}. The context involves concepts from abstract algebra, specifically ring theory.

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  • Participants explore the definition of Z[sqrt(2)] and whether it can be represented in a specific form. Questions arise regarding the properties of rings, particularly closure under addition and multiplication.

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Some participants suggest that Z[sqrt(2)] can be expressed as the set {a+b(sqrt(2))|a,b in Z}, while others question this by examining the closure properties of the set. The discussion includes an inquiry into the analogous set Z[cuberoot(2)] and its properties.

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There is a focus on the definitions and properties of rings, with participants considering the implications of closure under operations for the sets in question.

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Is Z[sqrt2] defined as {a+b(sqrt2)|a,b in Z}?
 
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No, it's not defined that way. Since Z is a ring (but not a field), Z[sqrt(2)] is defined as "the smallest ring containing all of Z and sqrt(2)".

Your question really is- can that be expressed as {a+ b(sqrt(2))| a,b in Z}.

To answer that question, you have to see if it is a ring. Certainly, since rings are closed under multiplication, it must contain b(sqrt(2)) for any integer b. Since rings are closed under addition, it must also contain any number of the form a+ b(sqrt(2)). Is that enough? Is this closed under addition? Is it closed under multiplication? Since the commutative, associative and distributive laws are true for all real numbers and this set is clearly a subset of the real numbers, you don't need to show those separately.
 
Yes {a+ b(sqrt(2))| a,b in Z} does satisfy being a ring so Z[sqrt2] can be expressed as that set.
 
Good. What about Z[cuberoot(2)]? Is that equal to {a+ bcuberoot(2) |a, b in Z}?
 
No because it is not closed under multiplication.
 

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